Talk:Princess Beatrice of the United Kingdom

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I disagree with the changing of this page's name. Princess Beatrice was never known as 'Princess Beatrice, Princess Henry of Battenburg', she was known as either 'Princess Henry of Battenburg' or simply 'Princess Beatrice'. In fact the name of this page is just wrong. The other Princess Beatrice is never known as Princess Beatrice of the United Kingdom, but 'of York', and I don't think a change was necessary. I can't work out how to change the name back, can someone do it for me please if they agree. Thanks --Berks105 19:14, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

If she was styled "Princess Beatrice" or "Princess Henry of Battenburg", why put in this of the United Kingdom business? Was that an official title? I guess if it was, the page should go back there with a disambig link at the top, but otherwise try to think of a better location. — SteveRwanda 09:23, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

As she was born as the daughter of a reigning monarch, she was titled as HRH The Princess Beatrice; this means she was Princess Beatrice of the United Kingdom. Upon her marriage, she assumed the name of her husband (as do almost all married women), and became Princess Henry of Battenberg, and she retained that title until 1917, when George V dropped all Germanic titles from the British royal family. She voluntarily relinquished her titles as Pss Henry of B, and returned to her pre-marital title of HRH The Princess Beatrice as she was still the daughter of a reigning monarch. Prsgoddess187 11:08, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Mmm, I understand that, but it still seems a little contrived to use "of the United Kingdom" as the means of differentiating her from Princess Beatrice of York. For example, I'm Stephen Holt of the United Kingdom but in the unlikely event of my having a Wikpedia article, you wouldn't title it Stephen Holt of the United Kingdom, just to disambiguate me from the other Stephen Holt (of Australia)... According to WP:DAB the article should be Princess Beatrice (some description). — SteveRwanda 11:56, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

You're not Stephen Holt of the United Kingdom, though (unless you've made a rather odd name change by Deed Poll), whereas Beatrice was Princess Beatrice of the United Kingdom, because she was a Princess of the United Kingdom. Proteus (Talk) 13:23, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

That may not be my official name, but it's an accurate description. So my question remains - is this Beatrice somehow officially titled as a Princess of the United Kingdom while Princess Beatrice of York is not? If so, I'm perfectly happy for the article to go back to where it was and I apologise for the error, but if they're both Princesses of the United Kingdom then surely a disambig is needed. — SteveRwanda 13:36, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

They're both Princesses of the United Kingdom, but Princess Beatrice of York is not styled as such because she has an "of York" to use. "of the United Kingdom" is the default, used when there's nothing else available. (And an "accurate description" would be "Stephen Holt from the United Kingdom", since "of" implies some kind of official position or representation, but this is all rather beside the point.) Proteus (Talk) 14:07, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Royal Princesses should be at their pre-marital name. It's not quite a universal standard yet in Wikipedia though. Astrotrain 15:13, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I totally agree with the above comments by Proteus. This current title does not make any sense, and should be changed back to what it was before. There is no need for a disambiguation, but perhaps a note at the top could be used. I suggest this is changed asap. --Berks105 14:18, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

The previous title made no sense either, so it's best you/we come up with a new one, which is to the point and unambiguous. By the argument above (that they're both princesses of the UK but one is of York so she can use that title while the other uses the generic of the UK title), you could just as well place the article at Princess Beatrice, but I assume you're not considering that because it's against WP:DAB. I'm simply arguing that Princes Beatrice of the United Kingdom is similarly flawed. As a reader of the article I was confused by this, and I imagine other people will also be. — SteveRwanda 17:25, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Yup, totally confused by the fact that she looks about sixty in the image and that she was born in the nineteenth century!? I agree with the move back to the Princess Beatrice of the United Kingdom. 18:53, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

I think that the easiest way to solve this problem is to put a DAB sentence at the top of both articles. The one for this article could read This is the article about the daughter of Queen Victoria. For the daughter of Prince Andrew, Duke of York, see Princess Beatrice of York. That way is anyone else gets confused, they can be directed to the correct page. Prsgoddess187 19:10, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

OK, I concede defeat! I've got an admin to move the article back to Princess Beatrice of the United Kingdom and added the dablink at the top. I don't think one is neeeded on Princess Beatrice of York, though, because that really is an unambiguous title. Sorry to have bothered y'all . — SteveRwanda 13:29, 21 May 2006 (UTC)