Talk:Princely Family of Liechtenstein
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[edit] royal vs princely
At the very beginning of the article, you call them "royal." Is this the case? Are they royalty? I think they are Serene Highness and of Princely status only, but not royalty. --Ashley Rovira 02:10, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
- There are two relevant, current usages of the term "royalty". One meaning is "member of a family headed by a king or queen". The other is "member of a family headed by a hereditary sovereign". The first is technically correct, but the second is in wider, common and journalistic usage. The problem with ignoring or rejecting the latter usage is not only that it relegates to royalist jargon a word already in much broader use, but there is no satisfactory substitute for "royalty" in the second meaning. "Princely" does not work, because the vast majority of princely families were merely noble, and never sovereign or semi-sovereign. "Dynastic" doesn't work because it is too poorly understood in this context. "Royalty" clearly conveys to most people membership in a reigning or formerly reigning family, and that is why it has passed into ordinary language with that meaning. Moreover, within monarchist jargon, royalty is still used to refer to members of deposed kingly dynasties, while being withheld from still-reigning dynasties such as the House of Liechtenstein and the House of Luxembourg. Thus, those who are in the order of succession to real thrones are refused, by this jargon, the description "royal", while lcadets of families which lost their thrones 150 years ago (House of Orléans, Hanover) are still referred to as "royal". Since any time these individuals' actual titles are used, it becomes obvious who is and who is not technically entitled to HRH, it is not necessary to pedantically adhere to a narrow jargon in Wiki. The reference to the Liechtenstein dynasty as "royalty" should remain. It's just too late to put that genie back in the bottle. Lethiere 20:43, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
There are several articles about minor members of the Liechenstein princely family that add little or nothing to the basic biographical data already included on the Hans-Adam II, Prince of Liechtenstein page. It would be neater to move all the basic family biographical data to the Princely Family of Liechtenstein page and redirect all the minor articles, such as Princess Georgina of Liechtenstein, to that page, which could link to articles on those few family members (such as Hans-Adam II) who merit an article to themselves.
[edit] redundant links
there are several links on this article that are redirected right back to this article... if someone could go through and clean this up please? I do not know these people well enough to know who has their own article or not... - Adolphus79 09:18, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] General Cleanup
I went through and cleaned up a bunch of stuff. Reformated the page a little. Created more links to things. All in my efforts to kiss-up to the government of Liechtenstein! :) Wilybadger 01:24, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
