Talk:Prince Edward, Duke of Kent

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Is there a need for disambiguation in case someone gets around to writing an article on Queen Victoria's father? john 23:01, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC)

There is already an article about Queen Victoria's father, Prince Edward Augustus, Duke of Kent. The article on the present Duke of Kent (the grandson of George V) is Prince Edward, Duke of Kent. I recently updated and expanded the article on Prince Edward Augustus. Jeff 9 Jan 2004.

Umm, there's nothing in the article about football. On what basis was this category added? john k 15:35, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

  • looks like vandalism- other Royals have been added as well Astrotrain 22:15, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)

I think an official picture of The Duke of Kent would be usefull. Why is there not official pictures of him?

[edit] Definite article for people styled as children of a duke

Proteus, as far as I know, children of a duke (not eldest son, in the absence of a subsidiary title), are styled "Lord Name" without the definite article, and that the definite article is used only when referring to substantive peers.

From [1] His younger sons and all daughters are referred to as '(The) Lord John Manners/(The) Lady Diana Manners' (see earl for discussion of the definite article before 'Lord'/'Lady').

From [2]. An earl's younger son(s) is/are addressed as for a baron's son. An earl's daughter is addressed as 'Lady Jane Binks', where 'Jane' is her forename and 'Binks' her surname, whether maiden or married. The practice has revived in recent years of adding a 'The' to 'Lady' when referring to her in the third person (also to 'Lord' where he is a duke's or marquess's younger son). It emanates from Court Circles but is deprecated by some members of the College of Arms. This is on the understandable grounds that it not only encroaches on the definite article which more properly pertains to a full peer but also implicitly places in an inferior position not just the eldest son and heir of an earl, marquess or duke since he has no 'The' to his courtesy title but a Prince or Princess who is not a child of the sovereign since they too are not accorded a 'The'.

As I see it, the definite article might be used sometimes, but omitting it would be uncontroversial and unquestionably correct anyway. JSIN 09:21, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Debrett's Correct Form, a much more authoritative source on styles than Burke's (which is primarily a genealogical publication, and which calls Diana, Princess of Wales "Princess Diana" occasionally) recommends its use. (And, more relevantly, it's our policy to include it.) Proteus (Talk) 10:01, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Whose policy is "our policy"? There are quite a few articles that do not use the definite article for younger children of peers, such as Henry Manners, 8th Duke of Rutland. JSIN 10:16, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

In the absence of objection, I am reverting to my changes. JSIN 12:22, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

(a) There already was objection, from me. (b) If for some reason you don't think what I said before was an objection, how about this: You're wrong. Stop changing articles. Proteus (Talk) 11:06, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
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