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[edit] Episode one

Shouldn't it really read more like a plot outline than a list of things that happened? Maybe it should have it's own article, or something?

Also, do the episodes have actual titles?Ayries 11:36, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

No I don't think the episodes have actual titles, and I have tried to make the episode outline sound less disjointed. Nubula 12:32, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I didn't think they did, I figured it was worth it to ask. The summary seems good now, the tenses need ironing out but it's much better. Thanks. =) Ayries 16:41, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree, episode synopses should just give a rough outline of scenes - this is way too long. Jihg 20:02, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Episode articles

Episode synopses really need to go on individual episode pages, or this article is really going to get out of hand! Thought I'd ask before moving it though... Do we need episode pages? What would we call them, without episode titles? Jihg 20:02, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, most shows seem to have episode pages. But if you want to keep the page count down for the time being perhaps we could have a page like List of Torchwood episodes... but that don't link any episode articles (yet) and keep the synopsises within one page for the time being. --GracieLizzie 20:19, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Sorry - didn't see your comment on this below. I think an episode list article is a good idea. And it turns out there's a policy on TV episodes, plus a couple of wikiprojects: episode lists and episode articles. Jihg 23:07, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Given the amount of episode one-specific stuff here, I'm sure that we'll need articles for each episode, but I can't find a precedant for doing this for episodes without titles. How about Primeval Episode One? Jihg 16:00, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I moved all the episode one stuff to a new article. I'm pretty sure the naming of the page is correct. After all, it's called "Episode One", and then the disambiguation in the brackets is the correct way of naming a page? -Mikay 12:13, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Almost, (Primeval) is better than (Primeval episode) really. --GracieLizzie 23:18, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Thank you :) - ǀ Mikay ǀ 11:08, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Time Anomaly

Should what we learn about the Anomaly and Helen Cutter be placed in their own section? Nubula 12:36, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I did this last night, it is at: time anomaly. Actually I think this page should focus on production, reception, and have an overview section. I think the episodes could have their own article, or an article each even. --GracieLizzie 14:38, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, didn't realise the link was for the anomalies in this show and not fictional time anomalies in general. As for whether or not the episodes should get their own page depends on how many series are planned. At the moment I think they could stay where they as their are only six, but if season two materialises or this page becomes too long due to the trivia and errors section, I'll go along with moving them to their own page. Nubula 14:51, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Hmm, personally I think even a six episodes the page may be pushing it on the length side of things. --GracieLizzie 19:47, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please identify guns

  • Can anyone say what make Tom Ryan's rifle was? It seemed from the noise made to be fully automatic. Anthony Appleyard 16:25, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Also there were two men with UK police-type riotsquad helmets and UK police-issue automatic carbines.: please what make of gun is this? Anthony Appleyard 07:50, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Unable to confim ID on the guns in the first episode, but the rifle used by the special forces captain at the end of episode two appeared to be an M4, upgraded version of the M16.

Greenpeas 18:56, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Had another look around, suspect that the some of the rifles used may be the H&K G36. Seems to match the skeleton stock and and see through magazine.

Greenpeas 13:38, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Latin plurals

Can we please be a bit consistent about the plurals of species names? The plural of "Coelurosauravus" is not "Coelurosauravuses" but "Coelurosauravi", similarly "Scutosaurus" -- > "Scutosauri". -- Arwel (talk) 07:58, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Species names have no plural form they only exist as singular entities. So the correct forms are Coelurosauravus and Scutosaurus whether talking about one or hundreds.--NeilEvans 14:46, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Creatures seen

Do you think we should include the prehistoric Fish, Sarcopterygii and Helen's Ammonite in the animals seen in epsiode one and the List of creatures in the Primeval series sections? Nubula 12:22, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

  • I suspect that the ammonite animal was meant to be a hallucination seen by Cutter because of his mental stress over the loss of his wife and general shock and alienness. Anthony Appleyard 13:50, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
    • Fair enough, but what about the fish? Nubula 13:52, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
      • The fish could be "real", if there was an anomaly elsewhere before the Forest of Dean anomaly. Anthony Appleyard 14:28, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
        • But that still leaves us the question of what to do with it, especialy as its also been listed under errors. Should we add it to the other lists or not. Nubula 17:04, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cast list

I cut down the cast list just to include the main characters, but the longer list has been reinstated with a request for discussion before re-deletion. My rationale was that just including the main cast would keep the list a reasonable length and give readers an idea of who was key to the series - this seems standard for TV articles. Perhaps the cast from individual episodes could be included in an episode list article or individual episode articles if/when these are created? I chose those listed in the opening credits and on the official website (though we could add more if some of episode one's other characters turn out to be reoccurring). Jihg 13:03, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I've split the cast into main plus others for now. Could we restrict the list to characters that appear in the end credits? (Jill and Duncan would go...) Jihg 13:28, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Some of the deleted characters (e.g. Ben and Ryan) had important parts in Episode 1. Anthony Appleyard 17:52, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. Ideally we move them to episode articles if/when that happens. Jihg 15:32, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] trivia

Can't see the point of anyone accusing the show of being a Dr Who "clone", ie a virtually identical copy when the formats are so different. The only real link is that they are sf fantasy aimed at a family audience. So they both deal with time travel? So do Stargate, Time Tunnel and a host of other shows. As for Torchwood, that's a late night "adult" show, don't see the connection, except its a Dr Who spin off. You could say Torchwood was influenced by the X files and Special Unit 2 (which in turn was inspired by Men in Black etc etc). Dr Who has plenty of its own coverage, can we keep it out of here unless really relevant? Greenpeas 13:55, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Primeval widely seen as ITVs "answer" to Doctor Who, so I think it's worth mentioning. As for Torchwood, it has been mentioned online but not in the press so feel free to remove it at least until it can be verified and is less ORish. --GracieLizzie 19:02, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment, think I'll leave as is for the time being and hope it doesn't get expanded.!Greenpeas 13:41, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Title image

Image:Primeval - intro.jpg has the title on a plain black background and isn't very representative of the opening credits. I've changed it to Image:PrimevalTitle.jpg, which is slighly less dull. Jihg 19:15, 24 February 2007 (UTC) (Note: images have been updated since this comment was made)

We don't go by what's more prettier, my version is of the final second (without the orange bits flaring around), your is not. You also need to learn to use the upload a new version feature (bottom of image pages), no reason why the image needs to be renamed. :-) thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 19:18, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Why is the final second that important? Can you be more explicit about your criteria here? Surely pretty is a good thing? Jihg 19:38, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Why the final second? Every other show I've seen uses the final second with text stating the shows name (Doctor Who, Torchwood are both the final second of the intro where it's most clear), to be clear my objection isn't due to being pretty it's because you uploaded a new image in a new title over the present one, which orphans the original image and thus will end up giving me a red mark in my upload log.. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 20:09, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Agreed - I should have replaced the original. We can correct my mistake by deleting the one we don't use. As for which one: the logo seem just as clear in both, and a few orange flary bits make it a little more interesting. Can we agree to use it? To be picky, the Doctor Who image is from about 10 seconds before the end of The Runaway Bride credits. Jihg 21:19, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

This has been resolved by an update to Image:Primeval - intro.jpg. Image:PrimevalTitle.jpg has been deleted. Jihg 16:19, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wilhelms???

Is it me or can I seem to hear a Wilhelm scream in every episode? In Episode one, there was a person hit by the Gorgonopissd; in number 2 it was another person attacked by the Arthropleura; and episode three it was the person in the basement who got attacked by the Mosasaur. Every time, it seemed they used the exact same scream each time. Who thinks so? --F@$fd$@fd$@f w0z eya 21:15, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I noticed this too! It was great, I'm watching out for them now.

[edit] Character Article(s)?

Does anyone think it would be worth it to add an article on the characters? Maybe not one per character, but a page with a section for each of them? We know a reasonable amount about each and their roles now, and there isn't much in the article, really. Ayries 21:46, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm in support of an article each for the main characters - Nick, Abby, Connor, Stephen, Claudia, Helen and... Ben Millers character (who's name I can't remember); as well as a page like List of Torchwood minor characters for the reoccurring minor characters like Tom, Duncan, and SAS Tom and maybe for important one episode characters. So perhaps yes to Ben the boy from episode one, but no to people like the lady with the python in her loo. --GracieLizzie 13:46, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
I concur with User:GracieLizzie. Even more so now Primeval has been renewed for a second series. Matthew 13:54, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, that's a good idea. Jihg 18:43, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
I've started the Nick Cutter article, and made a Primeval characters category. Could you guys add more info to the Cutter article and make more for the main characters? (I'd say everyone who's name appears in the opening credits should have an individual article, important others can go in a List of Primeval minor characters article). The infobox template I used is here. Also once this is done, we can then maybe we should make a navigation template for Primeval? --GracieLizzie 18:40, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Music

Is it worth mentioning the music that's been included in the show, it seems to quite cleverly fit into the scenes and is very "now" as far as the chosen tracks go. --62.136.223.9 13:18, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Inaccuracies

In episode 4, Helen remarks that she saw a Utahraptor during the Jurrasic, but Utahraptors lived in the Cretaceous. Should this be included in the article? Chavmusiksux 16:27, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

It should go on the Episode Four (Primeval) article, not this one. --GracieLizzie 16:35, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Maybe there was an anomaly from the Jurassic to the Cretaceous and a Utahraptor passed through it.--NeilEvans 16:49, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
I didn't think of that, but I've just added a bit to the episode 4 article Chavmusiksux 16:56, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

The 'Palaeontological inaccuracies' section should really be split across individual episode articles - this isn't the right place to detail every error in the entire series. Maybe have a paragraph about the general accuracy of the series, with a couple of significant examples? Jihg 18:54, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Why have an inaccuracies section at all? Primeval is science fiction. Who is to say that the universe Primeval is set in is ours? Therefore the eras (and creatures) within the Primeval universe may be completely different to ours. This section sounds like an opinion piece by a dinosaur fan who doesn't like the TV series (especially the line "This seems to suggest that as far as the show is concerned any large prehistoric reptile is a "dinosaur"").Z3n 14:18, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
While the Primeval universe is clearly alternate rather than real world, the buildings being in diffrent locations is a dead givaway as well as the innacuraces surounding the fauna, the section needs to stay because the errors are true, although split it across individual episode articles as suggested by Jihg. However you are correct when you said that statments like "This seems to suggest that as far as the show is concerned any large prehistoric reptile is a "dinosaur" need to be removed. Nubula 12:43, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
The section reads much now that the opinion statement has been removed. Thank-you! I also agree that splitting the inaccuracies across each individual episode is a good idea.Z3n 14:23, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Locations

Does anyone know the name of the football stadium where the dodos came through in episode 4? Also, what team plays there? Is it in London? Finite Matthaus 17:06, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not a football fan but I've been told by someone who is that it was Chelsea's home ground. --Shearluck 20:16, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

It was filmed at Millwall's New Den stadium. See episode 4's talk page. Jihg 17:14, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
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