Talk:Prepared piano

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Prepared piano

[edit] Endnote for website reference

Whatever bot just substituted an endnote for a website reference, it is unnecessary and unnecessarily cumbersome. Badagnani 21:05, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

These bot changes were performed by a presumed sockpuppet bot of User:SEWilcoBot, named RefBot (talk · contribs · logs · block user · block log) - this bot did a few edits on 23/24 December 2005, after which it was permanently blocked.

The bot became operational a few hours after SEWilco(Bot) was forbidden to do such conversion of references, see Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Climate change dispute 2, which was concluded 18:06, 23 December 2005.

This was a kind of circumvention of an ArbCom decision. Contact an admin if you think this should have any influence on SEWilco's probation (see Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Climate change dispute 2#Restrictions on SEWilco for some names of admins that applied various blocks on SEWilco since the ArbCom decision) --Francis Schonken 20:52, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge from Tack piano

• Oppose merge. These are two distinct ways of altering the sound of a piano. Prepared piano is used primarily for avant-garde effect, and tack piano is used to create a honky-tonk or barroom sound (and sometimes by composers such as Lou Harrison for clarity of tone/timbre). The tack piano elements, except for the mention of it, should be moved out of prepared piano and into tack piano. Badagnani 03:50, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
• Support. Tack piano is a stub. It is a way to prepare a piano. Thus, it should be merged into a section of Prepared piano until it is expanded enough to gain its own article. Hyacinth 10:03, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

This expansion can be accomplished by moving tack piano elements out of prepared piano. Tack piano is not considered a form of piano preparation, as the term was construed by John Cage. Badagnani 15:45, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't see how any sensible definition of piano preparation could exclude putting tacks on the hammers. —Keenan Pepper 15:53, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Please provide John Cage's original construal of the term. The wikipedia article currently disagrees with you: "A prepared piano is a piano that has had its sound altered by placing objects (preparations) between or on the strings or on the hammers or dampers." Hyacinth 10:30, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

I'll have to look that up. I should have said that tack piano is not a form of preparation used by Cage, who was the first to use the term "prepared piano." Badagnani 16:16, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

My comment above states that tack piano should be mentioned in prepared piano. That is why I wrote "except for the mention of it." After the mention would be a wikilink to tack piano. Badagnani 16:19, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

• Personally, I wouldn't merge, so: oppose to put it formally. Both articles should refer to one another though (if not in the article text, at least in a "see also" section). Compare: I hope Luthéal would be a separate article soon (I made it a redirect to Tzigane (Ravel) - but that's only temporary measure, awaiting a real description of the instrument). Any help appreciated! --Francis Schonken 20:30, 1 February 2006 (UTC)