Talk:Pre-nominal letters
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I suppose this may be a valid subject for an article, but I'm absolutely sure it's not at the correct title. Is there really a difference between this and...er..."Title"? Deb 19:35, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- I created the article, their is a post-nominal letters article and whilst pre-nominal are not as common they do exist eg Eur Ing (using pre-nominal ensures that people don't confuse it with post-nominal- they often do), this is not a title in the traditional sense of social titles, similarily other titles such as professional are properly called "pre-nominal letters" or "pre-nominal designations" - most people use just "title". Ultimately I think a redirect would be better than a deletion. Djegan 19:47, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Using "pre-nominal" is just more specific than "title" which can be either "pre" or "post" Djegan 19:49, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)
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- But post-nominal letters are not the same as titles, whereas pre-nominal letters (or at least, the way the article is written at present) are. Deb 21:07, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- This proposal can probabilty be solved by creating a redirect to title and in the opening paragraph explaining that some titles are "pre" and some are "post". My reason for creating the article was primarily because the Eur Ing title is often mistaken as a post-nominal title whilst it is not and to have a formal pre-nominal article - in time the article may expand or simply remain a stub - ultimately its simply a better way of classifying "Doctor", "Lord", "Professor" and such - but is it neccessary to delete such a new article which reduces disambig, does wikipedia include the total sum of human knowledge already - maybe titles should be classified into pre and post articles. The post-nominal article already has many of the titles and many of these titles have extensive articles on them. I say keep?. Djegan 21:47, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Aren't these called "honorifics?" They're sure not pre-nominal letters. Geogre 21:38, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)
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- Another thing known by many different names! Djegan 21:47, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)
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- That's as may be, but by Wikipedia standards the article should normally be at the most common name for the subject, which "pre-nominal letters" isn't. (I searched on Google; both pre-nominal letters and prenominal letters got no hits whatsoever. That doesn't necessarily prove that the term doesn't exist, but it does prove at minimum that it's a far less common term than honorific.) I'd propose that anything useful in this article which isn't already in honorific or title should be merged into one of those two entries. Bearcat 23:31, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)
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- Don't worry pre-nominal does exist - search a little deeper, title is a very common term, pre-nominal is specific and includes professional not just social and such. (i have not contributed over 6 months of rubbish, i set my standards very high) Djegan 23:41, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Delete. "Pre-nominal" and "prenominal" appear to be used in grammar to mean "before the noun" (in a sentence). The term "pre-nominal letters" is idiosyncratic. Title already covers the stuff in pre-nominal letters, so no need to merge. Also need to clean up links and redirects to pre-nominal letters. Wile E. Heresiarch 06:58, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Delete: Inaccurate and neologism. As an aside, someone needs to fix up honorific, as that's what "doctor," "master," "lord," "sir," "saint," and all the rest represented by initials before the name are. Geogre 13:36, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Fair enough - as long as the previously existant articles make it more clear as to pre- and post-, less ambiguity, their is already to much duplication anyway! Djegan 18:46, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Keep. Pre-nominals are a valid description for abbreviated honorifics - eg HM for "Her Majesty", HE for "His Excellency" etc. --Gene_poole 05:21, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)
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