Talk:Power hour (drinking game)
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[edit] 21st birthday
The last paragraph of the intro referring to 21st brithday rituals needs to be reworded and cited or else removed. The assertion that this is done for everyone's 21st birthday in the Midwest and Great Plains is obviously incorrect. Perhaps it would be more correct to say it is popular there (if that is even the case, I have never heard of this regional phenomena before). Also, the assertion that one will likely die from 21 shots of liquor is both unrelated to this article and false. Stating an act is likely fatal implies death is a more common result than living, which is obviously not the case. Please reword/provide references for this paragraph or it will be removed. 68.55.218.111 10:00, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Relevant?
Are the recent additions by user Ilpresidente really relevant to the encyclopedic nature and information contained in this article? It seems like the content added by Ilpresidente should presented in a blog and used as external link, rather than being on this page in the wiki. Further, it could probably be summed up in a paragraph or two, rather than dragging it out over the whole introduction to the article, due to the irrelevance of the information. At the very least it could be condensed into one paragraph and moved from the article intro, further down the page. ABVS1936 14:20, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Request for external link addition
I would like to make a formal request to add http://www.celtickane.com/projects/bac.php to the external links section of this page. It is my own website, so I wouldn't like to add it myself, but I would prefer that someone else review the website, and make the decision to add it. I think a BAC calculator is important for readers so that they can safely determine what effect a power hour (or more than one) has on their BAC levels, and how safe it is for them. --Sugarskane 03:51, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
- Added links to Blood Alcohol Content articles in the See Also section; closed --Matthew
There was once an article called Centurion (game). Since it's somewhat similar and both articles are pretty short, I merged the info in it into this article. That page now redirects to this page.
The "facts" in this article are eminently garbage - in particular, those that suggest that a centurion puts the participant at the alcohol LD50 for an adult. If you work out the alcohol imbibed in a centurion from the figures stated in this article, you find that it's the same as drinking one 750ml bottle of quality wine (12% ABV) in 100 minutes. Almost everyone I know has done that - often as an accompaniment to dinner! - and none of them are dead. May I suggest that a qualified and intelligent Biologist casts their eyes over this article, because at the moment it's urban-mythological claptrap. -- Tom
- The mathematics are correct. The assumptions (LD50 and alcohol metabolism rate) are reasonable for the average adult, according to other article on Wikipedia. If you have a specific quarrel, please point it out so we can discuss it and possibly change it. As for your statement about wine, I'm not sure about that, but if you want to add a comparison to wine or other beverages, that may be informative and helpful to add to the article to aid in people's understanding. Thanks, - Bryan is Bantman 16:13, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
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- It is widely accepted, however, that the LD50 figure varies wildly from person to person, and that 400mg.dm^-3 is a conservative estimate. In addition, the method used in here assumes an 100% tranfer from oral to venal routes, which is quite ridiculous. Therefore I would posit that the "scientific proof" stated in this article is unnecessary, and quite pointless - surely a simple warning about the dangers of overindulgence would do, and be far more suitable in context.
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- LD50 is, by definition, a statistical average over many people -- it is when 50% die, not when one individual reaches a 50% chance of dying. The conversions are based on the "one unit of alcohol absorbed per 8 oz of beer" measurement, not a calculation of actual volume of alcohol in beer. If you disagree, you should take this up at unit of alcohol and blood alcohol content. The 1 unit / 8 oz beer is I believe widely used in DUI educational materials; regardless, you should take up that argument at unit of alcohol if you disagree with it. It would be interesting to see any data on transfer from oral to venal pathways, although I'm not sure it directly affects this discussion. For this article, if anything, it might be worth it to make it more clear that habitually heavy drinkers metabolize alcohol much faster, and these types of people are those most likely to be playing some variant of this game. - Bryan is Bantman 18:41, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
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- Also, regarding the wine equivalency, assuming an average 5% alcohol content of beer and (somewhat overestimating) a 15% average for wine, the centurion would require 33+ ounces of wine in less than two hours, or about 1.4 bottles. Of course, wine is usually drunk with food, which also helps. Nonetheless, anybody drinking a bottle and a half in two hours is going to be seriously hammered. - Bryan is Bantman 18:45, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
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- In the article, though, you state that the beer in question contains 0.25 ounces of alcohol per 8 ounces, which is 3.13% by volume. Thus my calculation (one bottle of wine) is perfectly correct by the logic in the article. I'm well aware of what LD50 is - I wouldn't touch practical chemistry with a big stick if I didn't. My point is that as you say "The conversions are based on the "one unit of alcohol absorbed..."". You must note the important word here is absorbed, not imbibed. Before the maths in the article can be verified, we need decent figures on what amount of alcohol that you drink, enters the bloodstream to make you 'drunk' :) Until then, I'd say it's probably sensible to cut back the data in the article, which my (very limited) empirical testing seems to disprove - 50% of the chaps and ladies I went out with on Friday aren't dead, despite heavy intake - even though one of them's diabetic :)
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- The article says one unit is absorbed per 8 ounces; you have pointed out that that represents 3.1% by volume, but the beer article states that most beers are 4% to 6% alcohol by volume. This suggests that the one unit absorbed per 8 ounces conversion assumes 25% to 50% of imbibed alcohol is never absorbed into the blood stream. As for your empirical testing, I would suggest that you and your friends have a higher than average alcohol metabolism rate, as a result of being experienced drinkers, genetics, or some other factors. Until you provide evidence that the calculations are demonstrably false, I don't think they should be removed; the conversions are correct after the base "one unit per 8 ounces" assumption, and you have not provided any references for why we should change that assumption. - Bryan is Bantman 04:51, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] External Links
The following links were moved here from the main page:
External links
- iPowerHour - Power Hour application for iTunes. Includes advanced features such as scripting and the ability to select a sound clip to play between songs to let you know when it is time to drink.
- Power Hour VX - an online Power Hour timer and aide.
- myPowerHour - a Power Hour application which switches songs every 60 seconds with iTunes or Winamp and keeps track of time/drinks/BAC automatically.
If you feel this should be added back to the main page in reference to Wikipedia:External links please discuss it here first.
brenneman(t)(c) 13:14, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
- These look exactly like the things that are currently in the External Links section. We should put these back or remove the rest? --Matthew
[edit] About Merger with 10 minute warning
Crossposted at Ten minute warning (drinking game) It's pretty clear that ten minute warning is the same as power hour for a lesser time period.
But the power hour article doesn't mention this as a variant so, I'm not sure where I was supposed to comment about the merger, but... make sure the merger doesn't just kill this page entirely. MrMacMan 22:55, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
If 'Ten Minute Warning' is for a lesser time period, then how can it be called a 'Power Hour'. I recomend someone revert changes to the original.
No. Merge it. It's the same concept. Ceol3531 09:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
