Talk:Poverty in India

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[edit] Agents

Some Agents of Foreign tourist give the gloomy picture of India to invite them in India. When tourist came in India, they see the reality and find what is the difference between Babri Masjid Dispute and Ram Janma Bhoomi. Babar, Humau and All Englishmen from UK were hardly 1,00,000 and controlled the entire country with population of many Millions, Billions and no body know how many Mir Jafars are there?

[edit] Article quality

This is not even an article. It's a bunch of half-facts haphazzardly thrown together. This is an important topic and should be addressed appropriately. That image of the slumbs in Bombay is unsourced and should/will probably be deleted. There are many CreativeCommons licensed images of slum dwellings in India on Flickr; the author should probably utilize those. AreJay 17:52, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] India has been judged as the sixth most dangerous country

http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=72099

India 6th most dangerous country for kids: Poll

New Delhi, August 7: India has been judged as the sixth most dangerous country for children in the world, according to a recent poll. Afghanistan, Palestinian territories, Myanmar and Chechnya were placed better than India in the poll conducted by Reuters Alertnet, a humanitarian news website run by Reuters Foundation, Rajya Sabha was told today.

During the survey, the website asked more than 110 aid experts and journalists to highlight the most dangerous places for children. The first five dangerous countries are Sudan, Northern Uganda, Democratic Republic of Congo, Iraq and Somalia, Minister of State (independent charge) for Women and Child Development Renuka Chowdhury said while replying to a written question.

The facts that have been taken into account for the poll survey include the children involved in armed conflict, the psychological trauma experienced by children caught up in violence, the children living in poverty and forced to work to support themselves and their families and malnutrition among children, the minister said.

vkvora 14:56, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

This article, together with Standard of Living in India are disgusting and offensive. They are completely out of proportion with reality. Granted, there is a lot of poverty in India, but why is INDIA singled out? Why isn;t there a "poverty in Lesotho"? Poverty in Guatemala, or poverty in New Guniea????????How many Indians will it take to bash our country into the ground?????Hkelkar 13:05, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed deletion

The speedy deletion reason given does not fall within the criteria for speedy deletion. I am converting the tag to a {{prod}} tag. If the proposed deletion tag is removed, the next step is to take it to AFD. — ERcheck (talk) 13:44, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I have removed the prod tag

Thanks ERcheck - I've already removed speedy tags and notified the user for the same reason - though apparently he didnt believe me. I've also removed the prod tag. The rationale for the prod seemed to be 1) That India was being singled out with this article, 2) the article had had no significant edits in months and 3) it is unsourced. I removed the tag as

India is not being singled out at all (see Poverty in Australia, Poverty in Africa, Poverty in the United States, Poverty in Appalachia etc etc...)
This is blatantly false and even if true is hardly a rationale for deletion and
The article is sourced

I am not advocating the article in any way other than I believe the speedy tag was misplaced and the prod reasoning either made in bad faith or (most likely) simply misguided. Please take to WP:AfD - Glen 14:20, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Controversies???

The section is laughable. It cites ONE opinion from some obscure author as fact. YOu need MULTIPLE SOURCES to establish a "controversy" per WP:Reliable Sources (see multiple sources part).Please find multiple sources to establish this as a "controversy".Hkelkar 19:59, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I respectfully disagree that the section is "laughable". First of all, I'm not convinced that the authors are "obscure". One of them is from the World Bank. Secondly, the text does not assert that one side of the controversy is right or wrong. It simply asserts that there are differing opinions. Thirdly, it seems quite reasonable to believe that this controversy exists in India. As the authors say on page 3 of the referenced paper, "This debate is far from unique to India. The worldwide controversy about globalization and its effects on poverty and inequality has followed much the same lines as the internal debate in India."

I can look for other sources but I think you are misunderstanding what is being said. I can easily believe that one side of the controversy (the government, no doubt) argues that poverty has been reduced significantly whereas the other side (presumably the opposition) argues that parts of India have left the rural and urban poor behind.

We have this sort of debate here in the United States. Why wouldn't a similar debate exist in India?

I have to admit that the "poverty increased or decreased" is my wording and might not be accurate. The debate may not be so much about poverty increasing or decreasing so much as it is about whether poverty was ameliorated as much as it "should have been" given the spectacular growth of the Indian economy in the 1990s.

--Richard 20:17, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. Then plz find multiple sources that attest to a "controversy". Both sides of the debate (including that of the gov'min') needs to be represented, including those that debunk these (frankly ridiculous in my opinion) claims. It is true that the poverty issue in the United States is contentious. However, I point you to the section Poverty in the United States#Controversy. You will see that the section is MUCH MORE NPOV with all sides presented dispassionately. In contrast, this section is a sad stub with a single POV, taken from a single source, touted as fact. I cannot believe that this can be accepted.Hkelkar 20:24, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't agree that the text of the section is POV but I do agree that it could be worded better. I looked at the Poverty in the United States article and I agree the treatment there is much better. I'm playing with the idea that there needs to be a generic article that talks about the general controversy (i.e. the one that exists globally across nations). Each "Poverty in X" article could then discuss the special characteristics of the controversy in that particular country. For example, it's interesting to note that India is considered to have the some of the best statistics on poverty. Thus, discussions of statistical problems with poverty data can become quite involved since there is so much data available. As a parting note, I present here another source which describes the controversy as the "well-known poverty trend controversy" (third paragraph).

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--Richard 21:06, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Well don't go away yet. If you have good sources to attest to the controversy then please put them in. You've got me intrested and I'd like to present as much reliable information regarding this issue from all sides of the debate. IF you find anything else then I'd be grateful if you could send me a holler and we can talk here.Hkelkar 21:14, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 65.218.132.157's recent edits to this article

My view is that Proverty in India should not be the page where we discuss Economic Liberalization and its imapct on poverty of a country. We need to concentrate more on socio-economic condition of India part of which is still poor. Debate about Economic Liberalization in India can be a totally new page. : --apurv 12:50, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

65.218.132.157, please sign your comments on this page by adding ~~~~ at the end.

I have been watching your recent edits and I was trying to guess at your motivations since they were obviously not mindless or POV vandalism. Thank you for the explanation, I understand better what you're driving at. I don't disagree. However, it is a bit rude to delete large portions of text without explanation. A better approach would be to leave a note here first and then wait for objection or discussion before proceeding.

Even if you wish to be bold, it would be kinder and gentler to copy the text you are deleting to this Talk Page so that others can evaluate what has been deleted and either re-insert it, re-use it elsewhere or accept the deletion.

Nobody owns this page. I cannot insist that the text you deleted be restored but neither can you insist that the text be deleted. Wikipedia operates by consensus. Let us discuss your edits and reach consensus on it.

BTW, would you be interested in helping to start an article on Economic Liberalization in India if it doesn't exist already?

--Richard 17:25, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

First let me thank you Richard for guiding me on how to do an edit. I am new to wikipedia and appreciate your help. Now. I have created a user for me to keep things simple. And I do not meant to be rude at all. What I did was little bit of cleaning and formatting as the article is very verbose and poorly formatted. Also i felt that we are trying to cover to many debates just in one article. Lets try to keep things simple. And we can discuss Ecnomic Liberalization and similar intresting topics on a new page.

--apurv 19:20, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Poverty in India

The high level of corruption found in government offices in India, including the police and judicial services largely affects the poor, director of the Tamil Nadu state judicial academy S Vimala said on Tuesday 7th November, 2006. vkvora 15:09, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

One opinion. There are countless opinions regarding this. Are we to list them all???We should put in a representative and notable cross-section only and that has been done. The issue of poverty & corruption has been discussed.Hkelkar 21:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

However, the point has been mentioned. Could you provide the exact citation?Hkelkar 21:42, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] One third or over 200 Million People of rural India lives on Rs 12.00 NSSO

http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=33508

<<Removed copyrighted text added by User:Vkvora2001.>> — Ambuj Saxena (☎) 08:37, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] It is not copyrighted. Poor knowledge of NSSO

vkvora 03:37, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Indian Poors secrifice their children for Prosperity.

Indian Poors secrifice their children for Prosperity.

http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=79072

Parents sacrificing sons to be prosperous

Press Trust of India Posted online: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 at 1643 hours IST

Baripada (Orissa), January 3: Lured by promises of prosperity, a couple has allegedly sacrificed their two sons in Orissa's northern district of Mayurbahanj Padmalochan Gan and his wife Tuni had been advised by a 'tantric' to sacrifice their sons Harish (9) and Dipu (7) and hold a puja to set themselves on the path to prosperity, police said on Wednesday. The couple sacrificed their sons at their home at Tilapada village, about 55 km from here, after observing some rituals in the presence of the tantrik, identified as Jagannath Tudu, police said. Though the incident had occurred about a week ago it came to light only this morning, when the foul smell emanating from the decomposed bodies alerted the local people. They found the bodies of the two boys and informed the police, which have arrested the couple. The tantrik is absconding. The couple also has a two-month-old daughter, who had been spared, police said.

vkvora 04:11, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] India’s losing battle against hunger.

In the Global Hunger Index, India ranks 117th for the prevalence of underweight children. Only Bangladesh and Nepal are worse-off. vkvora 18:36, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The report was released by Keshav Desiraju and Subash Chandra Khuntia, Joint Secretaries in the HRD Ministry in presence of UNESCO Director Minja, who said that India has shown political will

There are 28 developing countries with over half a million out of school children each. Nigeria, Pakistan, India and Ethiopia are home to the largest number of 23 million," the Education for All Global Monitoring Report 2007 said. vkvora 18:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

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