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[edit] uses

no-one listed potatoe batteries!!! --Wolfmankurd 17:31, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cultural references

Why not add a section of cultural references?

Yeah, that's what I was going to suggest. I say/hear potatoe [sic] at least 10 times a day. [[User:bandgeek100]] 04:23, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cold chips

"Potatoes are generally eaten hot, but several basic potato recipes involve cooking the potatoes and then eating them cold - potato salad and potato chips"

I would not want to eat cold chips! I think you mean crisps

Potato "chips" is the equivalent of British "crisps" in America.

Along these lines, when you reheat a potato that has already been cooked, it does not revive like other foods do, it stays woody and rather crystalline, for lack of a better word, both as french fries and as baked potatoes. Is there a name for this phenomenon? Chris 03:38, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
yesterdays chips efect --Wolfmankurd 17:30, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Misconception

A common misconception is that potatoes are vegetables. Their actual classification has yet to be known

That assertion strikes me as unlikely. Have you a citation? —Casey J. Morris 03:25, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)
"Unlikely" is a very generous term here. "outlandish" seems more fitting WormRunner | Talk 04:57, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Here's a simple table I found that the user above might find useful. The vegetable is simply a plant grown for an edible part really. [1] Laundrypowder 18:58, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
Depends which classification scheme you use. Potatoes are garden vegetables in the same way that beets and carrots (roots) and corn (starchy grain) are garden vegetables, although in terms of biology of course potatoes are a tuber, and nutritionally they are starches. They are not a "green leafy" vegetable like spinach, but "garden vegetables" is a more general and loosely/traditionally defined category and is what most people mean when they say "vegetable". Tomatoes are garden vegetables also, although biologists will tell you they are a fruit. --Jonadab, 2007 Feb 6

[edit] Raleigh

Raleigh was in Venezuela... He may not have imported the potato into England, but he was certainly in South America...Wetman 22:46, 20 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Absolutely right. I do not have the Raleigh info at my fingertips, but he certainly went to South America. I removed the erroneous phrase, but the statement now looks awkward. I will look up the details in the next couple of days if no one gets to it first. WormRunner 23:18, 20 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I've never been able to nail down a written reference to Raleigh (not from a real source anyway). But I did find multiple references to potatoes being raised in Queen Elizabeth's (the first) ornamental garden. TTFN Ralph --N7bsn 16:20, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] harvesting

Is there more info on the harvesting of potatoes?

[edit] "Irish Potato"

The potato is unrelated to the sweet potato. In the United States it is sometimes referred to as the "Irish Potato" to distinguish it.

It would be good to state where in the U.S. this usage occurs, as it surely doesn't in California. --Yath 08:10, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I don't believe it is locality-specific so much as an older usage. I have certainly heard the expression used in Oregon, but not by the younger people. I am quite certain, from people I know, that it has been used in California as well. The great Irish Immigration is no longer part of the national consciousness. WormRunner | Talk 01:43, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
In the midwestern US (OH, IN, MI, ...) I've never heard this usage (unless you count the phrase Irish Potato Famine, but that is so named because the famine occurred in Ireland, not because of the type of potato involved), much less seen it in print, so I would say that it is not very common and certainly not geographically universal. --Jonadab, 2007 Feb 6
Irish-born American, lived all over the USA and I've never heard the common potato referred to as the "Irish potato". I think this is just a joke about the Irish someone slipped in, and should be deleted. oiguvnuh
I'm not sure how it could be an ethnic joke; if anything the usage implies that the potato as a crop is of Irish origin, which, while untrue, would not appear to be disparaging to the Irish in any way. More likely it is a localized usage (possibly based on a backformation from Irish Potato Famine) that someone assumed was more general. --User:Jonadab
White potatoes are definitely "Irish Potatoes" (actually more like "Arsh" potatoes) in South Carolina, where sweet potatoes are the norm. 03:05, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)

I think it shows up in The Joy of Cooking which is a fairly authoritative source about American food. FreplySpang 21:09, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

People in my parents generation (My mother is 88) used the term "Irish Potato" all the time. It is no longer commonly used, at least in Oregon, but it was. I have heard it used (as a child) by my parents, my grandparents, and by family friends. I have not heard it used by one of my contemporaries (I am 54) in the last 30 years anyway, but my mother still uses it. -- WormRunner | Talk 17:54, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I second listing regions that use the term "Irish potato". I've never heard that name, as most people around here (southeastern Illinois) simply call them potatoes, while sweet potatoes are always called sweet potatoes. I haven't heard it used in southwestern Indiana, either (I often visit Terre Haute and Vincennes). What is the state of origin of the author(s) of The Joy of Cooking? --/ɛvɪs/ 10:09, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Weird Grammar

"To reduce the ground till it is completely free from root-weeds, may be considered as a desiderutum in potato husbandry; though in many seasons these operations cannot be perfectly executed, without losing the proper time for planting, which never ought to be beyond the first of May, if circumstances do not absolutely interdict it. Three ploughings, with frequent harrowings and rollings, are necessary in most cases before the land is in suitable condition. "

Normally this is the sort of thing I'd correct grammar on. However, in this case I can't figure out what the hell it's saying. Would anyone be so kind as to translate this into English?

Is it possible to improve the language of the aforementioned jibberish? Even if it is a quote from a cited work, it's barely intelligible. It would be worthwhile to remove the passage and replace it with text not as obnoxiously worded. Kylesobrien 11:24, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

BTW as a side note, I've never heard the 'Irish Potato' thing from anyone of any age, and I'm in Portland.

"To grow potatoes you should till the ground to remove weeds; but in many seasons the ground cannot be tilled before the first of May, the ideal time for planting as far as circumstances allow. The ground should be ploughed three times (with frequent harrowings and rollings, whatever those are :)) before the ground is suitable for planting." (Or something! :)) Adam Bishop 04:00, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)
The formatting made it unclear that the text was from an 1881 reference work. Since it's a quotation, it shouldn't be corrected! I have created a new section heading to clarify that the text is a quotation. Tomgally 16:52:15, 24 Jul 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chitting

I'm quite surprised anyone has written about cultivation of potatoes without any mention of Chitting William Avery 19:18, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I added a picture of a potato with sprouts, seed tubers are mentioned only briefly in the article unfortunately. I'd write more but my English isn't the best unfortunately, not my native language. /Mathias Karlsson 2006-05-29

[edit] Potato Beetle

Why is there a picture of potato beetles on the page? It's a nice picture, but the article doesn't mention them and I think it might be a mistake. Do they eat potatoes, or just leaves? Have I missed something? Am I evil? Yes I am.Ashley Pomeroy 13:49, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

  • Surprisingly, the current revision of the article doesn't mention the potato beetle at all. - Mike Rosoft 13:57, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Synonyms

Why no mention of tatties or spuds? Bovlb 04:25, 2005 Jan 12 (UTC)


[edit] Genetic Diversity

Genetic diversity of the potato in the Andes, demonstrating its homeland, hasn't been handled yet and needs a subsection. Google: "genetic diversity potato Andes" for a start! --Wetman 10:30, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Have tried to touch on it and still have it in keeping with this article as genetic diversity comes from cross polination of the plant and the production of fruits, see potato fruits. Andham2000 12:25, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Russet Burbank often called Idaho potato

— Pekinensis 17:19, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Although the above is not an untruth, calling Russet Burbanks "Idahos" would be considered a misnomer....as well as an injustice to the rest of the Russet Potato growing industry in the U.S.

64.146.249.18 18:42, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Scientific Classification

I may be being stupid, but it seems like the word "Tracheobionta" links to the flowering plants (Magnoliophyta) page, whereon the word "Tracheobionta" does not feature once. Is this right? --David.Mestel 09:09, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

that is correct

[edit] Featured article

Why is this not a featured article? It's really good. 64.231.163.172 23:10, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cultivation

It looks like the cultivation section was just ripped straight off other pages (or else they ripped straight off Wikipedia--always hard to say, but if they did, shame on them, because the cultivation section is really poorly written). It doesn't really talk about industrial cultivation, just how to do it yourself (I don't know the wikipedia policy on such things, and whether or not how to plant a garden potato is encyclopaedic). Except for perhaps the last paragraph, but I can't actually figure out what that's talking about. The whole section I think needs a complete rewrite, with a much larger focus on the general cultivation of potatoes (how much of the world crop is commercial? what are commercial techniques? compared with home garden? a brief review of where it is grown the most?) but I don't know anything about potato cultivation (and have more pressing things to research). I also unlinked "grape", because it sure doesn't make any sense to dig up potatoes with small, soft juicy fruit, three-pronged or not. I don't know what kind of grape the writer was actually referring to, so I can't relink it to anything. FireWorks 06:09, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Mentioning when to plant them (which may vary by country I suppose) would not go amiss. (About now, in Devon I think.) Midgley 12:02, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
I would be curious to know how to cultivate potatos at home. The article mentions it but does not give very exact directions, which would be nice. For example, when is a good season to plant them, what kind of watering do they like, and do they prefer light or shade, and how can you tell when they are ready to harvest?
I think people looking for information on potatoes are mainly interested in home cultivating. Some info on commercial cultivation is of course also needed. I'd write more on home cultivating but am not fluent in the English language and don't want to mess up the article. I did add a seed tuber picture though, as that is mentioned in the article. /Mathias Karlsson 2006-05-29
But to understand the inportance of potatoes you need to know about commercial farming, not just how but also the extent of it and the varieties grown (and why). If I can find the time I'll try and add something. Meanwhile, "www.potato.org.uk". is a good source of general information.

Maccheek 10:07, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "express bake" potatoes

has anyone heard of "express bake" potatos that are microwavable? how do they differ from normal potatoes?

Just a russet with shrink wrap on it, this is just a marketing gimmick, it doesn't cook any faster or better than a normal russet in the microwave, so save your cash and just buy plain bagged potatoes. All potatoes are microwavable, just poke em with a fork. -Munky

[edit] Freeze-drying in the Andes

For a very long time potatoes have been laid out to freeze in the dry air, broken up and laid out again and so on, until a fairly dry substance results. This is a storable food, historically of importance in survival. References not to hand. Midgley 12:06, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Sounds like Smash without the additives to me. Wonder how they dehydrate the potatoes for Smash... Fourohfour 14:12, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Limited/no nutrition when not cooked?

I have previously read that potatoes have no nutritional value when raw because the starch chains are too long for human digestive enzymes or something like that. The article refers to this when it says in the cooking section: "The only requirement involves cooking — to break down the starch and make them edible," but then the "nutrition information" sidebar says that "Raw Potato" has 70 kcal of energy. So if there is a nutritional chemist who could perhaps develop that a little, put in some information about why potatoes need to be cooked, that would be cool.

[edit] Origin

Some scientists say that the sixty percent of the potatoes of the world came from Chiloe, Chile. This subject though is the topic of a major fight between Chilean and Peruvian scientists.

[edit] Masses don't add up

The infobox in Potato#Food_value doesn't add up. It shows that every 100g of raw potato contains: 82g water, 2g proteins, 19g carbohydrates, 0.26g potassium, 0.1g lipids, and various other things in smaller amounts. The water plus carbs alone add up to 101g, and since presumably there is no part of the mass of the potato that counts as both water and carbohydrates, this seems odd. --Delirium 06:44, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Children's game

The supposed childrens game if telling the difference between a potato and an apple does not work, and is incorrectly cited.

Potatoes are too starchy, and not sweet enough to be mistaken for apples - even without the sense of smell.

The game is played with apples and onions, not potatoes. Onions are sweet, and with your eyes closed and holding your nose, the similarity in taste is striking. Not so with potatoes.

I have removed the offending sentence.

[edit] Colorado potato beetle

Hey people, something needs to be said about this bug in the article, it is a major pest afterall. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 18:35, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] etymology

The articles says that the word potato is from the Spanish word batata. Was the word taken from the Arabic word for potato, which is also batata? --Inahet 07:11, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

It seems more likely to me that the Arabs got the word from the Spanish. But what do I know? I thought the potato plant was an annual. Come to think of it some plants could be a thousand years old since the tubers are replanted year after year. Happy and heathy eating! Steve Dufour 04:08, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Thank you, you too.
You got a point there, but I also think that not only the word but the product itself was perhaps introduced to the Arabs by the Spaniards. I think the answer lies in the date in which it came to the Arabs.

>>>I thought the potato plant was an annual.

Well, everyone learns that at some point. I didn't know that either until last year. I was also surprised to learn that the potato plant has poisonous fruits! --Inahet 05:49, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Andean potatoes

Are the potatoes grown in the Andes all the same species? Or several different species? Thanks. Steve Dufour 03:48, 5 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Allergy

Has anyone ever met a person who is allergic to potatoes? The reason why I ask is because I am severely allergic to them and when I tell people they are shocked and say they've never heard of someone who has that allergy.

[edit] Poisonous.

I've noticed that somebody added , I have no idea why Potato is one of the Poisonous Plants. Could somebody explain on this? In my opinion, Potato is not a poisonous plants because Potato is root vegetable like Carrot. *~Daniel~* ☎ 03:04, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

So, the category that I mentioned is not existed, so I reverted it. *~Daniel~* ☎ 07:03, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

The potato fruit is poisionus and also the plant. Only the tubers are not. When it was first introduced in the UK people ate the leaves of the plant and got ill. - I have no reference for this though. Also when the potatoes go green they are poisionus but you have to eat about 2 sacks of them for it to be deadly. The potato is in the same family as deadly nightshade. If I could think of references for these it could be worth adding them, as it stands - short of saying UKTV history I could not reference them so can't put it in. User:Andham2000

Are potatoes poisonous? No. Potatoes are the number one vegetable in the world and are good for you. Potatoes and other members of the Nightshade family (Solanaceae) such as tomatoes and eggplants do contain specialty chemicals know as steroidal glycoalkaloids. These compounds are bitter and guidelines establish upper limits for the occurrence of these compounds in new potato varieties. The compounds are abundant in the leaves, not a problem in tomato fruit, but do accumulate in potato tubers. Bruised or sunburned – greening potatoes can have more of these compounds. This is why you peel away green skin and sprouting eyes before cooking and eating. Eating about 10 pounds of green potatoes could kill you but you would never finish the job because your mouth would be burning.Phytoman 20:26, 21 December 2006 (UTC)PhytomanPhytoman 20:26, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA Re-Review and In-line citations

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[edit] Reasons for GA Delisting

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[edit] Starch

The article says:

Storage facilities need to be carefully designed to keep the potatoes alive and slow the natural process of decomposition, which involves the breakdown of starch. It is crucial that the storage area is dark, well ventilated and ideally maintained at a temperature of about 4 degrees Celsius. Potatoes must not be kept in a refrigerator. Cold temperatures convert potatoes' starch into sugar, which alters their taste.

Which, since refrigerators work at 4 degrees celsius, cannot possibly be true - either 4 degrees prevents starch breakdown or encourages it, not both.

The best information i've been able to find on this is from the International Starch Institute's memorandum on The Production of High Quality Potato Starch. It sounds like fridge temperatures are good, but if it gets towards freezing, that's bad.

-- Tom Anderson 2006-11-09 16:50 +0000

[edit] History

I came to this page hoping to see some history of the potato -- origins, how it spread to Europe and Asia, etc. The page seems to be lacking any consistent section on this -- compare to the Tomato page, for example.

I recently heard a story which prompted my curiosity. It says that the potato was first promoted in France by placing a large pile of potatoes in a public square in Paris and posting a guard with a bayonet, thus encouraging people to "steal" a potato to take home and cultivate. Can anybody confirm or deny this, or at least say whether it's a common legend? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.186.100.114 (talk • contribs) .

For what it's worth, the French article on potatoes mentions this story, along with a few more details. Daniel Schepler 15:37, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Are potatos fruits or vegetables?????????????

Botanically they are tubers not fruits so they count as root vegetables Maccheek 10:07, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chef Spudnik?

Someone has inserted two references to "Spudnik".

[edit] Fourth largest crop?

The article states that potato is the "fourth largest crop in terms of fresh produce". The same is stated under the Banana article ("bananas rank fourth after rice, wheat and maize"). What is correct?

--User:kjellesvig 01:15, 22 December 2006 (GMT +1)

[edit] Varieties?

Any chance of a listing of potato varieties - such as is included in the article for apples? (Some very strange spuds are appearing in my supermarket.) Mfgreen 04:07, 3 January 2007 (UTC)


Much like apples, potatoes have an abundance of varieties, but they are mainly categorized into a few main groups: Russets, Reds, Whites, Yellows (Sometimes called Yukons). Some varieties of Potatoes are specialized in that their starch/sugar content (an index referred to as 'gravity') may be more suitable for frying, chipping, or the fresh market. Although various, some common russet varieties in the U.S. are: Russet burbank, russet norkotah & ranger. Some common red varieties are: Red norland, red sangre, calred & lasoda. Although not as numerous, there are several yellow and white varieties. Some would consider 'chipping potatoes' a variety of their own, some of these being: Atlantic, norchip & willamette.

Nearly all of the above referenced varieties have their own sub-groups that are either already developed or are in the process of being developed. Some varities are popular with the fresh market because of taste or looks, others are popular for processing because of their particular starch/sugar make-up. Most newer varieties also combine the desired traits with other benefits, such as resistance to pests or disease. I thought the article was good from a historical perspective, but overly empasized the negative. Potatoes are incredibly nutritious and would be a welcome alternative for today's busy lifestyle.

Mxwl99 05:49, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

The following are all commercialised in Europe; Bintje, Cara, Charlotte, Desiree, Estima, Hermes, King Edward, Maris Peer, Maris Piper, Marfona, Nadine, Nicola, Pentland, Russet Burbank, Rosetta, Sante, Saturna, Saxon, Shepody, Wilja Franceline, Mona Lisa, Ty Bodaveri;

Variety is critical depending on the market a farmer is aiming at. Specific varieties are grown for different sorts of processing, crisping, chipping (i.e. making into french fires) etc. Useful information is available at "www.potato.org.uk".

Maccheek 10:07, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Contradictory Sentence

"Dr. Douglas L. Holt, the State Extension Specialist for Food Safety at the University of Missouri - Columbia, notes that no reported cases of potato-source solanine poisoning have occurred in the U.S. in the last 50 years and most cases involved eating green potatoes or drinking potato-leaf tea."

Make up your mind. - MSTCrow 00:39, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Makes perfect sense to me. No cases in the last 50 years and most of the cases (ones over 50 years ago) involved green potatoes or leaf teas. Involved... past tense. --Crimson30 16:43, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cooking away toxins/solanine...

This sentence is a bit vague: "Cooking at high temperatures (over 170 °C or 340 °F) partly destroys these." I found a reference here that states: "Solanine is not destroyed in the cooking process." and thought maybe some consolidation of the two statements might be in order. Also, the wiki page on solanine mentions that boiling will not reduce levels of solanine. --Crimson30 16:52, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Most potatoes eaten in 24 hours

I deleted this trivia comment, because I can't find any other reference to it anywhere on the internet, and in particular on the Guiness book of records website. If anyone has a reference to it they can add it back in. Mrjeff 19:36, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

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