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[edit] Bush?
I know lots of you guys think that Bush is post-grunge, but I have some reasons that might change your mind. They were formed before Kurt Cobain even died. How could a post-grunge band exsist in the grunge era? Any, post-grunge is a wikipedian term that is used no where else. For example, I asked several people what genre they thought Bush belonged in, and they said Grunge. When I told them that we named it post-grunge, they said, "Whats post Grunge?". The argument below this has a perfect point; bands are either Grunge or Alternitive. There is no Post grunge catagory. Also, look at the name of the band, Bush. SLANG ALERT. Most bands of the era had something dirty about them, and Bush fits all the catagories listed, and more not listed here. Unless a good argument is raised why Bush isn't a grunge band, or what defines post-grunge, I plan to remove it from the list. AdNimitz
[edit] just scrap this wiki
Many if not most of these "post-grunge" groups are musically indentical to the "real" grunge groups they are imitating. "Post-grunge" is just a way for scenesters to seperate what they think are "cool" bands from those they think are not.
I don't think it needs to be scrapped, BUT I think the band list needs to be edited. I don't think you can be both grunge and post-grunge. Or maybe you can, but those should be few and far between. Just because a band started as a grunge band and didn't break up doesn't automatically mean they are post-grunge. Bush's music got more electronic, so I see the argument for them being post-grunge, but Silverchair? I think Everclear's listing is questionable at best. Some of these bands, like Cake, bare little resemblence to Nirvana or Soundgarden. Just because they were around at the same time doesn't make then grunge or post-grunge. I suppose the Cake article calls them post-grunge, so I won't argue with it too much. Perhaps arranging the list by the bands other genres would be better than the timeline format. Dawhitfield 17:26, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] no information?
if grunge is a musical idiom, not just some marketeer's advocational term of choice, then the wiki needs more information about what characterizes the music. or what characterizes the attitude-- or whatever it is that "post-grunge" is supposed to refer to.
the wiki as it stands seems to serve as a great example of the completely VACUOUS nature of musical terms like "post-grunge." the wiki is meaningless, it needs more work. and that will take some work.
in other words, if "post-grunge" doesn't mean anything, then the wiki is great. if not, somebody better do some homework. 128.119.232.206 00:34, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] New template
As I mentioned on Talk:Grunge music, this new template is unneeded. The genre box for grunge does not work for post-grunge, as it gives no details that are specific to this sub-genre. -- LGagnon 03:41, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Post-Grunge
The bands in this category are a little too diverse. Some of these bands should be called alternative rock or maybe their needs to be another subgenre of grunge for these bands. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.118.39.194 (talk) 16:46, 26 February 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Article name
We should move this to post-grunge. The additional "music" tacked on at the end seems odd because nobody actually adds that on to the name (and there is no need for disambiguation because nothing else is called post-grunge). -- LGagnon 03:49, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Live
I think Live should be readded to the list. I don't know if they started out as a post-grunge band, but I think some of their albums, such as Throwing Copper, would qualify.
I would also readd Stiltskin. They didn't have great chart success, but were big on the UK touring circuit for some years, had their own Levis ad soundtrack, and appear to have had influence.
[edit] Travis?
I thought they were an indie rock band? I don't know much about them myself; do they deserve to be on this list? --Dalkaen 02:20, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Audioslave,Foo Fighters,Ect.
Bands that spawned from origonally grunge bands should not be classified as post-grunge. There's reasoning for this,as a.these bands do not possess the same sound as creed or three doors down, and b. these bands are seen more as alternative rock than post grunge,
- Agreed. I came to this talk page to post about this and I am happy that someone agrees with me. Thoughts on this? Flyerhell 05:53, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
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- And Life of Agony? WTF? Also, I think Local H should be moved to the section with Bush, the Toadies and Silverchair and not with the Creed and 3 Doors Down section. If not for stylistic reasons then for the fact they had an album in 1995.
[edit] Weezer?
I don't think Weezer qualifies as a post-grunge band. They do use moderately distorted guitars, but they have more of an emo/alternative sound. I agree that Live can be considered post-grunge for some of their music. Stiltskin is questionable, but they could probaby be added to the list. La Pizza11 00:46, 13 November 2005 (UTC)La_Pizza11
Agreed. In the mid-'90s Weezer was played on the same radio stations with the bands discussed, but that's about the only connection. -Bert 171.159.64.10 03:39, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
I disagree, but the band list is certainly questionable. Dawhitfield 17:27, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
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- Weezer Post-grunge/Pop rock (Tigerghost 23:59, 4 April 2007 (UTC))
[edit] Sleater-Kinney
Even though they don't necessarily sound like most other post-grunge bands, I would consider them post-grunge. The influence of L7 is pretty audible, and the riot grrl genre is general is closely related to grunge. I'll add them to the list. If you disagree, feel free to add a comment. La Pizza11 22:43, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
- I really don't think Sleater-Kinney had any grunge influence. Additionally, when they put out their first albums they were part of (and still are) the US indie rock scene at the time that was a complete reaction against mainstream forms of alternative rock. WesleyDodds 06:20, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Reference or remove
This article seems to me to be a joke. While I am not nominating it for deletion, since I believe it could be a good article, there need to be references cited to support any artist's inclusion in this genre. Wikipedia is not original research - it should only report what is already out there regarding post-grunge. mgekelly 13:11, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Audioslave?
Hi there I don't understand why Audioslave is in the post grunge section. I am going to delete it because they have a more original, and a more creative sound then bands like Nickelback and Creed. You can't compare a band which comes from two bands who pose a sharp contrast to guys like Nickelback and 3 doors down. Bill102 13:11, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I agree. Nikleback and creed are clasic examples of post-grunge--82.10.89.119 08:54, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Agreed. I'll remove them--La Pizza11 16:45, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Fourth paragraph under contents
The whole bottom of the paragraph can go: "Frogstomp's release also helped divide post-grunge bands into two categories: those who came before Frogstomp, and those who came after, much as Nirvana's Nevermind album had helped do with grunge a half-decade earlier. This last bit was clearly written by someone from Silverchair.
Either remove the Silverchair fanboy stuff or let my comment stand."
It's dumb, unverifiable, POV'd (though POV has always been the least of my concerns on this site) and besides these points, who even remembers Silverchair? How can one begin to compare them to Nirvana? And not only are the last two sentences immature, but they don't belong in the main page at any rate. So, I'm getting rid of them.
Dudewhiterussian 16:12, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Godsmack Post-Grunge?
Since when was godsmack post grunge? Godsmack is definately not. They are metal. I will remove them from the list.--82.10.89.119 08:54, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Godsmack is to post-grunge what Alice in Chains is to Grunge. They're both on the heavier edge of grunge.
[edit] Alanis Morrissete?
'Nough said. And yes, Travis are indie; and who the fuck wrote this? Kevin Doran 00:40, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Excessively Long Lists
This page seems to have excessively long lists, I reccomend changing to list headings to "Notable Post-Grunge Bands" and including only those who have had significant mainstream popularity, or were notable one hit wonders. Although these are all good bands, but there are simply too many of them right now. Also I believe the bands should be listed under the era when they first gained said popularity, i.e. 3 Doors Down may have first formed in the mid-nineties but it wasn't until 2000 that they came into the public eye.
S. Luke 22:09, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Merge Pop Rock
These two articles, Pop Rock and Post-grunge seem very similar. and if not merged with Post-grunge I'd at least say that Pop Rock is a subgenre of Post-grunge, at least pop rock acts of the 90s and 2000s seem to fit in with post-grunge anyway. The article even mentions Pop Rock in its paragraphs as a part of post-grunge. (Tigerghost 23:39, 4 April 2007 (UTC))
