Talk:Possession and Acquisition Licence

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Hi, I am adding to this page. I'm probably missing a lot. Please help me expand Cavell 05:29, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I noticed that you are constantly changing many parts of what I write, especially the section on prohibited handguns. Prohibited handguns may be owned by an individual in Canada even if not grandfathered, for example I even know a target shooter that got a licence to own a Glock 26 because his hands were too small to fit a large handgun. Prohibited handguns can also be owned by an individual that received a handgun that was made before 1946 and was registered in Canada legally and was owned by either father, mother, grandfather, etc. This is known as the 12(7) licence. Also it states that all prohibited handgun licences given out after 2005 will be known as 12(6.1) instead of 12(6) and there are numerous individuals that hold this. Finally when applying for an ATC there is provision to carry a prohibited handgun. All of these points are directly from the CFC so please do not say I am making any of this up. Also please do not change what has been written on this in the article 74.96.120.13 02:58, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

• Perhaps you would like to re-word it then so it becomes less confusing. For all intents and purposes, new prohib licences are NOT issued. From the site:

"Can I acquire a prohibited firearm if I am not grandfathered?

No you cannot:

Exception: If you are not grandfathered, the only prohibited firearms you may possess or acquire are handguns with a barrel length of 105 mm or less or that discharge .25 or .32 calibre ammunition, and only if all of the following criteria are met:

the handgun was made before 1946, and

the handgun was registered in Canada on December 1, 1998, and you are the child, grandchild, brother, sister or spouse of the lawful owner, and you are acquiring it for an approved purpose such as target shooting or as part of a collection. In these circumstances, you can lawfully possess the handgun in question, but you are not grandfathered or authorized to acquire more prohibited handguns."

Perhaps you can make more sense of this and incorporate it into the article, we're all trying to work together. BTW, I wrote over 90% of the content on here, so please dont tell me not to edit anything. Anyone is free to edit anything on Wikipedia anytime they wish. I have serious doubts about the valididty of your claim about your friend's prohib GLock. There are many many smaller sized pistols that can easily fit a childs hand, The Walther P22 for expample. This disscussion page is a better place to commmunicate thoughts. Might help the discussion to register on Wikipedia, and then help me expand theses articles as best as we can. Cavell 08:55, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Some of the content was wrong so it's been edited - the part about lever action rifles being limited to 5 round magazines, for example, is incorrect. As for the claim about a Glock 26, unless it was one of the many turning up on the market with lengthened barrels to make them > 4", then that strikes me from my reading of the law as being impossible. The CFO has no authority to issue a prohibited license to someone who was not in the class already.

[edit] CFO can issue licence for Prohibited handguns

I have been searching for a while now the proof that a CFO has the discretion to issue a Non-Grandfathered individual a licence to acquire a Grandfathered handgun. Why they are considered Prohibited firearms by the government and can be issued beats me, but it is totally up to the CFO to make his decision as to whether an individual can own one thus limiting ownership. To proove this:

CHAPTER 39 (Bill C-68) An Act respecting firearms and other weapons AUTHORIZED TRANSFERS AND LENDING Authorized Transfers

Permitted purposes

28. A chief firearms officer may approve the transfer to an individual of a restricted firearm or a handgun referred to in subsection 12(6) (pre-February 14, 1995 handguns) or the importation by an individual of a restricted firearm under paragraph 40(1)(c) only if the chief firearms officer is satisfied

(a) that the individual needs the restricted firearm or handgun

(i) to protect the life of that individual or of other individuals, or

(ii) for use in connection with his or her lawful profession or occupation; or

(b) that the purpose for which the individual wishes to acquire the restricted firearm or handgun is

(i) for use in target practice, or a target shooting competition, under conditions specified in an authorization to transport or under the auspices of a shooting club or shooting range that is approved under section 29, or

(ii) to form part of a gun collection of the individual, in the case of an individual who satisfies the criteria described in section 30. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.96.120.13 (talk) 03:00, 22 February 2007 (UTC).

• I'm confused. The quote you mention says "restricted" firearms, not prohibited ones. Big difference.Cavell 00:37, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

• Oh My God for the last time: its right there in the damn sentence "restricted firearm or a handgun referred to in subsection 12(6) (pre-February 14, 1995 handguns)" 12(6) meaning PROHIBITED HANDGUNS, YES ---PROHIBITED---, and it clearly states that only PRE-1995 HANDGUNS can be issued. I even got this clarified before I put it here, its fu*king correct - AND BY THE WAY SINCE THE DEFINITION OF A PROHIBITED HANDGUN IS - BARREL UNDER 106mm AND .25, OR .32, THAT MEANS IT WOULD INCLUDE POST FEB 1995 HANDGUNS SO IT DOES NOT SAY OUTRIGHT "THAT THE CFO HAS AUTHORIZATION TO GIVE LICENCES FOR PROHIBITED HANDGUNS" BUT RATHER SAYS THAT "THE CFO HAS AUTHORIZATION TO ISSUE 12(6) HANDGUNS" MEANING THAT ONLY GRANDFATHER PISTOLS CAN BE ISSUED TO A NON-GRANDFATHERED INDIVIDUAL. SO READ THE CHAPTER 39 MORE CAREFULLY AND YOU WILL SPOT THAT THERE IS AN OPTION FOR THE CFO TO ISSUE GRANDFATHERED HANDGUNS TO NON-GRANDFATHERED INDIVIDUALS

74.96.120.13 03:59, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

• By the way just for proof here is the definition of subsection 12(6)

(6) A particular individual is eligible to hold a licence authorizing the particular individual to possess handguns that have a barrel equal to or less than 105 mm in length or that are designed or adapted to discharge a 25 or 32 calibre cartridge and for which on February 14, 1995 a registration certificate under the former Act had been issued to or applied for by that or another individual if the particular individual

(a) on February 14, 1995

(i) held a registration certificate under the former Act for one or more of those handguns, or

(ii) had applied for a registration certificate that was subsequently issued under the former Act for one or more of those handguns;

(b) on the commencement day held a registration certificate under the former Act for one or more of those handguns; and

(c) beginning on the commencement day was continuously the holder of a registration certificate for one or more of those handguns.

Now this does show who can possess a 12(6) handgun - it does not include individuals that have not been grandfathered. HOWEVER SECTION 28 (SEE ABOVE) STATES THAT THE CFO DOES HAVE THE RIGHT TO ISSUE TO A NON-GRANDFATHERED INDIVIDUAL A 12(6) PROHIBITED HANDGUN HERES THE PROOF - "A chief firearms officer may approve the transfer to an individual of a restricted firearm or a handgun referred to in subsection 12(6) (pre-February 14, 1995 handguns) or the importation by an individual of a restricted firearm under paragraph 40(1)(c) only if the chief firearms officer is satisfied" (SEE ABOVE FOR FULL DETAILS).

I HOPE I HAVE PROVEN MY POINT ABOUT THIS AS I HAVE RESEARCHED THIS FOR A WHILE AND HAVE CONTACTED SEVERAL INDIVIDUALS TO HAVE THE MATTER CLARIFIED. CAVELL, PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT I AM NOT TRYING TO RUIN YOUR WORK AND I RESPECT IT VERY MUCH - HOWEVER THERE IS AN ERROR AND I HAVE THE RIGHT TO FIX IT. WE ALL KNOW THAT THE CFO WILL LIKELY NOT ISSUE A PERMISSION LIKE THIS TO ANY "REGULAR" INDIVIDUAL, AND MIGHT BE EVEN COMPARED TO THE SELDOM ISSUED ATC, however there is a law - it exists on paper - and even if the CFO decides to never issue a prohib handgun, he always may after reviewing a case, and is not restricted from doing so in any way.

74.96.120.13 04:13, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

• No offense taken. You made your point. In the future, try to not be angry when u respond here. No need for swering and getting mad, just make your point. If you are correct, which you have shown you are, change it accordingly and that's that. Try to not get on the offense right away because disputes are usually resovled easily. Happy editing Cavell 05:32, 23 February 2007 (UTC)