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[edit] Statistics

Spanish Wikipedia has 3-3 as the scoreline in the first international, and 8-0 as the worst defeat by England. Then German Wikipedia has 3-1 as the first international scoreline, but 8-0 as the worst defeat. Can a definitive answer be found? Portugal were defeated 10-0 by England in 1947

[edit] National colours

Am I the only one seeing the home and away colours of the national team in gray? The green and yellow lines are ok, but the rest of the shirt is gray, instead of dark red. Can anyone solve this please? Joaopais 02:43, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

It's, indeed, black (or, at least, a very dark gray—which is what is in the kit; black is #000000 and we have #111111). Take a look at the FPF website. :) —Rotring 18:33, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
I think it is a Internet Explorer / Mozilla compatibility problem - just like the Danish national football team kits which also have grey colours. Poulsen 18:54, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
What can we do to solve this? I'm going to revert to the all-red/all-black kits, meanwhile. Joaopais 01:21, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Yes, IE fscks it all up, because it doesn't support PNG transparency. Solution: GIFs. --Rotring 19:51, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

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any idea where can I find statistic and forecast for the world cup.


[edit] Why cant this page be protected

Firstly thanks to everyone that has worked dilligently to keep the content of this page free of edits by morons today. The pages for Wayne Rooney and Ronaldo are semi protected so why the hell cant this page also be semi protected. The vandalism surely must warrant it? Why can those pages get a semi protect and this page not Adam777 22:32, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Request it at WP:RFPP. -- Steel 22:34, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
I put in the request at RFP two days ago; Adam777 replied to it. The request is now apparently gone and not listed as either fulfilled or denied. Gimmetrow 23:05, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
When Adam777 replied to it, the bot which clears furfilled requests thought that an admin had responded and action had been taken, see here. Submit another request. -- Steel 23:22, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Adam, you made your request in the wrong place, I've moved it for you. -- Steel 23:24, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Oh, so we shouldn't respond to RfP requests? If so, oops, I replied to Adam's. Gimmetrow 23:36, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Page is now semi-protected. KillerChihuahua?!? 16:58, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Someone really needs to fix this page. I don't know if I have the rights (or the correct knowledge) to do so. Some hooligan really got hold of it.--Horsenbuggy 17:11, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Penalty kick for Portugal against France

I think that there was a penalty over Cristiano Ronaldo, other users disagree. There were two options for the referee, he could give the penalty or a yellow card if it was a simulation, this is a rule in football, this shows explicitly how bad was the work of the referee and he has a past that must be cited. I added a reference for an acusation against this referee, and think that this citation doesn't impact favorable to any team, just show the past of a referee in a semi-final of a World Cup.

Ronaldo dived quite obviously. He couldn't reach the ball and, while in air, made the diving movement. Just be glad he didn't receive a yellow card, 'cause that would have been even more embarrassing than watching him fall to the ground when none of the French players even touched him.
Reading "while in the air, made the diving movement" was funny, take some lessons from Isaac Newton.
Please check this clip and make your own judgement.Diving Or Foul
I think it's phrased perfectly clear, he made a diving movement while in air missing the header. Anyway, the cheating in the youtube clip made me laugh. Thanks to whoever posted it.


As a Portuguese American it upset me to see them play the way they did. Their dramatics sickened me. They played like garbage. Henry on the other hand, took a dive that gave France all they needed to win. That's Football.

That's a point of view, but football isn't United States football, and body contact is allowed on a very low base. The video sent doesn't show Sagnol left arm over Cristiano Ronaldo shoulder, the foul is covered. Reference of the camera is the point, and the press is not imparcial as they want to show. He is never going to reach the ball, as Henry will never reach the ball, but a foul in football doesn't need to give the player injuries. And Henry is an excellent actor, as he has shown in the game against Spain, he is much better than Cristiano Ronaldo. But was funny to see this video, I could see that the press all around the world is funny, specially when talking about sports.


Ronaldo and Henry should both have roles in the remake of BACK TO SCHOOL.


And the referee too, and his past shows just how FIFA works. Or would you call someone that got a suspension to work in the final phase of your competition? Ok, you can contract him to make some work after the suspension, but to work in the final phase? Or in the game Portugal x England, would you call someone from Argentina? We are here attacking the players, but the real reason of all this mess is FIFA incompetence.

Agreed. Well stated!!!

Henry took a dive in a n earlier match but was clearly fouled in the portugal match, although he could have stayed on his feet it would have still been a foul, had he not dived the ref may have missed it. Ronaldos dive was a blatant attempt to con the ref. What annoys me most is that Ronaldo has been one of, if not the best player in the tornament and yet everyone hates him. If he would just play the game the way it is intended he would be worshipped. I was at football training with my son today and a 6 year old boy dove in the penalty area to try and win the game, would this have happened if not for the likes of Christiano Ronaldo, Rivaldo, etc?

As you have written earlier, Henry too. Remember Cristiano Ronaldo and Rivaldo and don't write Henry in the end shows how passionate you are in your analysis.

[edit] Corrections to be made, please

  • The nickname is Quinas (the five shields on the flag.
  • The home and away colors are Very Wrong. Its all red and all black, respectively, 134.93.181.159 10:04, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Portugal did play quite badly in the Semi-Final, but regardless of who plays better or worse, the ref did a crappy job. There were many fouls done by the french were were completely ignored. Cristiano Ronaldo's dive would've been the move for a header but he was pushed. It is impossible to jump straight up in the air and then fly forwards unless you're strapped to a jetpack. Even if Portugal would've lost anyway they deserved a fair game.


I've saw a lot of anti-portuguese feelings on this page before. Surely some hooligan (maybe wainr rooney :)) did it. There are two reasons for this type of hate: 1. Portugal knock England out of the World Cup. 2. Portugal is a latin country. SOME (not all) English hate Latins. Congratulations to the English people that are noble enough not to vandalize this page, and to put it in order.


[edit] Starting Lineup and formation

Wouldn't it be better to have a more representative lineup of the squad, other than the Germany 3rd place match? Ricardo Costa never plays on the starting 11, Miguel is usually prefered to Paulo Ferreira, Pauleta is now retiring... Maybe if we're removing retiring players we should wait for the Euro 2008 qualifiers though. --Noikeee 16:55, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Zidane penalty

The defender lifted his foot over Henry legs. The defender was lying on the ground and the ball was 1 meter away. Just because he lifted his foot over Henry legs, thats a fault. And a fault in the penalty box, is a penalty period. Now, Henry REALLY exagerated and dived, but in the first place, the defender shouldnt have comited this.

The defender shouldn't have lifted his leg, but he was trying to touch the ball - which wasn't a meter away, was very close - and Henry didn't even try to touch the ball and wasn't touched by the defender, just dived and should have seen a yellow card for that. The referee was just behind both players, so there is no way he didn't see it was a act. But France had Platini watching over them, so the "penalty" was awarded.

- The ball was far away: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI3uOFu8-WM. Henry was heading to it, the defender was already on the ground, his body was not even in the good direction. I understand the frustation, but this is indeed a penalty. Just like in 2000, Xavi touched the ball with his hands.

- That is the biggest distortion of the facts I've seen. In the video it is clear that the defender tried to touch the ball WHEN it was between the two, not when it was getting away. He didn't touch Henry, and Henry just dived when he saw the ball getting away. A honest referee would have given Henry a yellow card, not scored a penalty. The penalty he didn't award Cristiano Ronaldo a few minutes later was also in part a dive, but in that case the defender was clearly pushing Cristiano's back, and that should have been enough (dive or no dive) to grant a penalty. But I guess that having Platini sitting in the benches helps a lot.

- As for the FCPorto supporters who take every chance to attack Scollari and who celebrated Portugal's losing the 2004 cup to Greece, please learn the rules - a simple contact isn't a foul. It's a foul if it trips or impedes the adversary from playing the ball, it isn't a foul if it's casual and not nearly enough to justify a clear dive.

[edit] Article Protection

I only ask that Mr. Rocha respects that others might have a different opinion. He claims that the admission by Ricardo Carvalho that he touched Henry is proof that it was a foul - even if the touch was never enough to trip Henry, or to stop him from getting to the ball. But then he insists that another touch, Cristiano Ronaldo being pushed from behind and changing trajectory in middle jump, is just a dive. Besides the contradicting views, that is his opinion, and also (unfortunately) the opinion of the referee of the game. It isn't mine, and it isn't the opinion of most Portuguese supporters (and even other nationals have admitted both are disputed). I mostly don't agree with Mr. Rocha imposing his opinion as the ultimate truth, and not admitting he doesn't own the truth, he is just expressing his views. Also, about his attacks on my anonymous posting, I didn't know it had been forbidden in Wikipedia's charter. After all, it's very easy to know my ip, so it isn't truly anonymous (even if this IP is being used by over a 1000 others). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.234.134.115 (talk) 15:48, 14 December 2006 (UTC).

Mr Anoymous is untitled to his opinions, but not to his own facts. Besides, since Mr. Anonymous posting history consists mainly of slandering his pet hate FC Porto and whoever is connected to it, and calling it "fact", I don't have a lot of respect for his (or her) "opinions". In fact, I've none. I've also not a lot of pacience to bad losers in general, and I'm afraid my country is full of them. Mr. Anonymous would like Portugal to win the cup, so do I. But they were beaten by a better team, fair and square, and to say it doesn't make me less Portuguese, and I won't take lessons in Portugueseness from either Mr. Anonymous, Mr. Scolari or Mr. Madaíl. To claim that I celebrated the Greek victory with champagne is nothing more than the usual slander coming from Mr. Anonymous.

Now, for facts: Ricardo Carvalho's foul did exist (and I notice that Mr. Anonymous started by saying the touch didn't even exist, and only changed opinion when it was pointed out that Ricardo Carvalho himself admited the foul; only then did Mr. Anonymous change his tone to "the foul existed but it was not enough"). It was inside the area. Therefore, it was a penalty. Henry got the most of it? Of course he did, but that doesn't change the fact the foul existed. As for Cristiano Ronaldo, he is an excellent player. That's the reason why I wanted to kick him: for spending to much time diving --(he's not that good at it) instead of playing (he's good at that). And to touch a player that he is already falling (as the French defender did) is not a foul. In short, the referee got it right, Mr. Anonymous got it wrong. --Explendido Rocha 15:57, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


Strange how you keep confusing facts with your interpretation of them, and keep denying that others might have a different opinion. I won't even answer your insults, there's no point. I apologized for mine already, even if they were provoked by yours.

Fact: Ricardo Carvalho admitted touching Henry. I didn't believe it until I read his interview, as it is not visible in the video. I admitted I was wrong. A touch isn't the same as a foul, even if it is inside the area - if it were so, every corner kick would be followed by a penalty. But I guess you won't agree with me on this too.

My opinion: The touch wasn't enough to trip Henry. He dived.
Your opinion: it was enough to trip Henry, but Henry "got the most of it".
Conclusion: we don't agree, it's a dispute to who is right. More people agree with me, as we can see from the postings here. Also obviously more people agree with you, including the referee.
Final conclusion: it's a disputed penalty. Nobody agrees.
Fact: Cristiano Ronaldo is touched when jumping, and changes trajectory in mid-air.
My opinion: He was pushed from behind, as can be seen by his trajectory changing.
Your opinion: he was touched when "he is already falling". I've never seen someone falling upwards, but you're free to have that opinion. Again, we have a dispute here, and some people side with me, some side with you.

You assume your opinions are facts. Others have not, and both fouls were considered disputed until you edited this page and entered a edit war with me.

My opinion: Your insults and intolerant attitude are just to try to provoke me into another round of insults and a edit war.

Since you didn't even consider my arguments, and just went ahead and edited the page to follow your opinion and your interpretation of the facts, I feel that might just be your game, to see that you can get this page to be semi-protected so I'll have to register to edit it (then what is your plan after that, ban my login for not agreeing with you?). I won't register until the wikipedia charter bans anonymous postings. I won't even justify or explain why. I'll just think what am I going to do next, either let your presumptuous attitude win, or try and edit back the page and hope you'll be reasonable. 195.234.134.115 16:27, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Suggestion: just abid to WP:V and WP:RS. Any disputed content on Wikipedia can be removed if no sources are provided to back it. Also, please sign all your comments, the discussion gets hard to follow otherwise. And last but not least, please always keep a cool head and be WP:CIVIL. I'm monitoring this article and will re-protected it if the edit war restarts so please try to settle your differences here. Thank you. Regards.--Húsönd 17:26, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't think there's any point. It's a matter of faith for Mr. Anonymous, and faith can't be discussed. My version is perfectly correct - the penalty is contested by some Portuguese; I've checked sources in different languages, and not even Brazilian sources, who would be pro-Scolari, present that penalty as contested. That Ricardo Carvalho admitted is a fact. And in those circunstances there aren't small fouls and big fouls. There are penalties, and nobody but some Portuguese who are the very definition of bad loser contest it.
As to Cristiano Ronaldo, again, my version is perfectly correct; nobody but some Portuguese (and, in this case, I doubt they are even a majority) thinks that it was anything else but a dive, but perhaps Mr. Anonymous is right and Cristiano Ronaldo would manage to violate some of the laws of physics. Again, what shall we add? Mr. Anonymous afirmation that Ronaldo was pushed? He went down in the box, all right, but to say that he was pushed is a strong contention, not validated by fact.
So, what we have: Mr. Anonymous wants the world to think that Portugal was robbed. He also probably thinks that the referre hit João Pinto's fist with his belly. Mr. Anonymous tries to present it as a matter of opinion, as in "my opinion is that the moon is made of green cheese". It is not, it is a matter of fact. But it is well know the facts of that game have a anti-Portuguese bias.
Finally, if Mr. Anonymous wants to play the virgin and feel insulted, I couldn't care less. Perhaps he should dedicate himself to write less slander and more valid contributions - he is a poster boy for why anonymous contributions shouldn't be allowed. --Explendido Rocha 18:29, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


It's always nice to have a offer to dialog received in such a friendly way. Let's see if I understand Mr. Rocha's points:
If he doesn't agree, what I'm saying is a matter of faith;
Those who don't agree with him are "the very definition of bad loser";
If Henry is touched and "makes the best of it" it's a penalty, if Ronaldo is touched and changes direction in mid-jump it's a dive;
It's ok to lie and claim that Ricardo Carvalho admitted a foul, when he just admitted touching Henry, if that helps making a point; check the interview he linked for what Ricardo Carvalho said.
If he agrees, it's a fact, if not, it's opinion - when what we are arguing about are interpretations of specific facts; neither he or me can give what was the force applied on Cristiano and if it was enough to make him fall, or prove that Henry could have kept going if he didn't "make the best of it" when Ricardo Carvalho touched him; we can only interpret what we saw on the tv (or at the stadium);
It's ok to attack other's character in order to discredit their point of view;
Only virgins feel insulted when called slanderers or when having their opinions dismissed with a plain "because I say so".
He's a prolific poster and I'm not, so he's obviously right and I'm wrong;
Anonymous writers (and probably anyone else he doesn't agree with) shouldn't be allowed to contribute to the wikipedia;
Also, it's implied from this that previous editors of this page who agreed that both decisions were disputed are obviously "bad losers" and acting out of faith.
You know what I feel worst about? Not that he tries to blanket that the referee had different criteria for Portuguese and for French at that game. What I don't like at all is that one of my country representatives here is such a conceived, presumptuous individual that thinks any other Portuguese that doesn't agree with him is a bad loser. 195.234.134.115 09:38, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
We lost. I got over it, you should too. --Explendido Rocha 11:23, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
If by getting over it you mean getting in a edit war with whomever you don't agree, ok. A Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you too. 195.234.134.115 14:23, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Stop playing the virgin, you aren't good at it. --Explendido Rocha 10:20, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Keep abiding to WP:CIVIL, you're really good at it. 195.234.134.115 16:36, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm only civil to civilized people. If you are offended, good. --Explendido Rocha 19:54, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
You see, that is another difference between you and me; besides the fact that I have a life and a job and don't have all the free time you have to contribute to the wikipedia, I try to be civil to everyone, even lying bastards who pretend that touching is the same as hitting or tripping someone. It takes someone as arrogant as you to make me lose my temper, as can be seen by all this exchange. But you can gloat now, your rudeness, your arrogant ways and your distortion of the facts to suit your view of the world have convinced me to leave. You won, keep your wikipedia and have lots of fun. 195.234.134.115 16:00, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Leva a bicicleta. --Explendido Rocha 11:54, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Biggest Defeat

September 27, 1953, Vienna, Austria - Austria 9 - 1 Portugal (1954 FIFA World Cup qualification Group 5) Wouldn't this be considered Portugal's biggest defeat or at least be tied with the current "Portugal 2 - 8 England" stated?

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