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If anyone wants to add new pictures, please do so in the gallery. The article looked incredibly overloaded with too many pictures scattered everywhere until very recently, the last I'd want would be to have the page this mess again. However, if anyone wants to provide a photo from a university building for the education section, I'd appreciate that (and save me a trip to the architecture campus). wS;✉ 00:08, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
- Definitely more text needed to fit the photos well. Porto is a beautiful city but as text stands right now it's impossible to fit more photos. New material in photos - ie - more recent, are severely needed. These photos are either outdated or of outdated quality, not nearly doing justice to the real look of the city.
I moved J.K. Rowling from Notable Citizens, since she wasn't one, to the trivia section. The Notable Citizens would be more fitting for famous Portuenses.Vogensen 18:57, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
I have to say that as a Portuense I very seldom experienced 40 degrees in the city.... does anyone have data on temperature averages.. doesn't seem correct. But I might be wrong.
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[edit] Metro
I just reverted an edit which intimated the metro line to the airport was already running. It isn't. Or am I going to get a shock when I jump on the train in the morning? Deizio 23:15, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Porto
The Porto project is now live. Anyone with an interest in Porto-related content ideas is very welcome to sign up and participate. Hope to see you there, Deizio 16:14, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Galiza Sul (Regiao Norte)
I think that it is frequently overlooked the strong cultural and ethnic ties that link the Regiao Norte with Galicia (Galiza in Galician-Portuguese language)as for centuries they were the same country and even today the similarities are appalling. Does not even the very name Galicia come from this part of nowdays Portugal? It is said that this relationship has been alienated by the shared need from Lisbon and Madrid to impose the borders over the reality of a common culture and (almost) similar language. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Maeloc (talk • contribs).
The traffic in Porto is not that bad. In fact when comparing with Lisbon it's amazing...--LeRobert 21:28, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Intro section and Transporation
I removed too much information about Port wine in the introduction. This article is about Porto, which aside from its name has little to do with Port wine these days. Also, I added some requests for citations for some statements. For instance, was Portugal named after Porto or was it the other way around? Different people I have spoken to seem to disagree on this point. Sources are needed.
I also removed the sentence "It is the seat of the Porto district and capital of the Norte region." which I believe only a few english speaking people will understand. Seat of what? The reference to it being Capital do Norte is repeated later anyway.
Also, I think the transportation section should refer to the metro as a completed project. It is basically finished as far as I know and has been fully adopted by area residents. Also, don't the buses run on natural gas? That is fairly ecofriendly and should be mentioned. If no one edits, I will edit later, will also add more to this section.
Oh, and there are nonstop flights from Porto to Toronto and Newark, NJ; so you don't have to go to Lisbon anymore to get to North America.
Added an informative climate section. Maybe too informative. Feel free to cut down. Someone should add something about geography. It's very hilly like Lisbon and San Francisco, and city residents have one of the lowest rates of heart disease in Europe. Also, Porto residents never get tired of walking and its fun to pace around the city even if you have nowhere specific to go.
Problems: Someone should describe the problem with residents leaving the city for the suburbs. Baixa (midtown) is still pretty crowded during the day but gets empty at night except for a few special bars districts. Before the metro and suburban trains, this was putting strain on the public transportation system. I also heard the city is trying to make owners pay for renovations of abandoned houses in the center, sounds like the city should be subsidizing this.
--Dba5 19:22, 16 August 2006 (UTC)dbandrade
- Well, as far as I know, and the article seems to oppose that idea, the name Portugal actually comes from the combination of Portus (Porto) with Cale (nowadays Vila Nova de Gaia). The fact that it comes more recently from the name Portucale doesn't reject the hypothesis. Actually, Portucale also comes from Porto. So, Portus + Cale —> Portucal —> Portugal. What is called popular belief in the article is defended by most (if not all) historians. I think that statement should be corrected. Malafaya 09:03, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Say what
- The country of Portugal was not (contrary to popular but unfounded beliefs) named after this city and is on the contrary an etymological evolution of the original name, the county of Portucale.
The county of Portucale was named after the city of Portucale aka Porto.--Pedro 19:21, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] not rational
In a study concerning competitiveness of the 18 Portuguese district capitals, Porto was the worst-ranked. The study was made by Minho University economics researchers and was published in Público newspaper on 30th September 2006. The best-ranked cities in the study were Évora, Lisbon and Coimbra.[3] Although, the validity of this study was questioned by some Porto's notable figures (such as local politicians and businesspersons) who argued that the city proper do not functions independently but in conurbation with other municipalities.[4] This point of view cannot harm the research study by itself, which was made in accordance with the criteriously selected World Economic Forum scientific methodology[5], because the same situation is what exactly happens with other higher ranked cities, like Lisbon, which were similarly considered alone without its satellite cities or towns.
This is not rational because of simple facts:
- not only Lisbon was in that study and no other district capitals functions like Lisbon and Porto
- the conurbantion of Porto is different from Lisbon's and can not be compared. The city of Porto proper is very old and small.
- it isn't NPOV nether, and contradicts itself in the last sentence: "because the same situation is what exactly happens with other higher ranked cities, like Lisbon, which were similarly considered alone without its satellite cities or towns" who said this? What is wikipedia to contradict geographers and economists? Besides Lisbon which cities are those?! --Pedro 19:26, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Population
The population figure of 326,654 given in the article is wrong. INE (Instituto Nacional de Estatísica) presents the following figures: 263,131 (2001) and 238,954 (estimated 2004/12/31). Portuguese Wikipedia uses the former. I couldn't find figures for 2006. It is well known that the municipality of Porto has been facing serious decline in resident population. Cigsandalcohol 08:33, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Nortenho accent
It's stupid to say that "they are known throughout the country for their "nortenho" accent". Noone in the north calls it "nortenho accent"... (And, I dare say, the north is part of the country...) If it were "people from the north are known in the south because of their "Nortenho accent"" it'd make sense... But as the opposite is also applied I don't really see the point in making such an assertion. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by LeRobert (talk • contribs) 21:58, 29 March 2007 (UTC).
