Talk:Porfirio Díaz

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Contents 1 ejido 2 Party 3 Grito de Dolores: September 15th ? 16th ? 4 Incomplete 5 Images 6 General Don Porfirio Diaz Mory did not lead a cavalry charge in the battle of Puebla... 7 Bernardo Reyes 8 Orders and Decorations 9 This article's rating 9.1 Biography assessment rating comment

[edit] ejido

I would like to see a link from "collectively owned lands" to an expanded definition, i. e. a wikipedia entry, on 'ejidos.' How did collectively owned lands vary from tribe to tribe, or state to state? How much of the ejido law was based on tribal law, how much on other, possibly Spanish or Basque traditions? How was it codified? Who was the head, minister, or director, of the rurales? Did they fall under the military, or under another department?

--J.P. Padilla-Santoscoy

ejido is certainly a topic we could use a good article on. -- Infrogmation 05:31, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Party

Did Diaz belong to a political party? If so, what was it called and what was its official platform? Dinopup 15:42, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

In the 1860s he belonged to the Liberal party under Juarez, but when he became prez he seems to have followed his out rout, eschewing parties--Dudeman5685 02:21, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Grito de Dolores: September 15th ? 16th ?

On Talk:Grito de Dolores, Porfirio Díaz is "accused" of changing the date of Grito de Dolores to celebrate his birthday on the same day. Is this true ? -- PFHLai 07:11, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

User:Hajor has a detailed answer to this question on Talk:Grito de Dolores. -- PFHLai 18:34, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Incomplete

There is a 20 years long gap between 1853 and the begin of his first term as president. What were his activities? there is also no explanation on the time between 1880 and 1884. why wasn't he president in those years? how did he seized power? was he regularly re-elected or he changed the constitution and/or the electoral law? this article, as it is now, is seriously incomplete. GhePeU 17:11, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Some of this stuff got deleted for some reason. I reinserted a chunk - is it satisfactory? Graft 17:51, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

I've restored the information about his later life. Someone had deleted it back in March, and replaced it with a link to the Mexican Revolution, which is certainly not sufficient. It was apparently lost among the vandalism fixing. I'm getting annoyed with all the vandalism reverts that don't take the minute to properly restore the original information... Mysterius 21:33, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

In regards to his ethnicity, I recall reading that he was part Zapotec, not Mixtec. I'll look for that source. Palenque 06:25, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I'll have to look up my sources, but as I recall he was meztizo Mixtec. Definitely not pure Mixtec, pureblood Mixtecs (or Zapotecs, for that matter) can not grow mustaches like Diáz had. He was from Oaxaca, but not particularly well commemorated there. Tubezone 06:15, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

That mustache comment is bizzare (and innacurate), just as a note. Anyways the source for the his (partial) Zapotec ancestry is in Mexico: From the Olmecs to the Aztecs (ISBN: 0500272573) by Michael D. Coe. It's not an authoritative source on Diaz obviously so it may be a mistake. Palenque 06:25, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Bizaare but true, full blooded native americans, AFAIK, don't grow facial hair. You're probably right about the Zapotec thing, I'm just going from memory. Tubezone 06:09, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure what AFAIK means. I'm not sure about the facial hair thing either, Olmec stauettes show facial hair, as does some Maya art. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe facial among Native Americans is rare, but not unheard of. Palenque 06:24, 21 November 2006 (UTC) I just looked up afaik :)...

As Far As I Know. Old Usenet shorthand. I worked for several years in and around the Navajo reservation in New Mexico, that's where I got the thing about no facial hair from. Pureblood Navajos do not grow facial hair, are born with a full head of hair, and do not go bald. Also, if you note, no extant picture of Benito Juarez (a full blood Zapotec and on the 20 peso note con razon) shows him with facial hair, nor do typical images of Native Americans from the era. Diaz was part Japanese (thus his maternal surname, Mori). Most Japanese folks I know can grow a mustache, but a full goose bozo Arab or Russian style beard would be pretty rare. Tubezone 07:44, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images

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[edit] General Don Porfirio Diaz Mory did not lead a cavalry charge in the battle of Puebla...

This article mentions that the General did so, but it does not specify as to what battle of Puebla was it. There was one in the 5th of May(famous 5 de Mayo) in which the General was in charge of a brigade that repelled the French forces that attacked the land between the two fortresses of Loreto and Guadalupe. The General's Brigade stopped the French, pulled them back and then chased them despite of being ordered by General Zaragoza to hold their ground. General Diaz was praised for bravery for his contributions in the Battle of Puebla(5th of May). This can all be found in the Biography written by General Bernardo Reyes.

There was another Battle of Puebla which was the siege of Puebla later on after it had been taken by the French, in this Battle General Díaz DID lead a fiece cavalry charge against artillery IIRC.

[edit] Bernardo Reyes

Reyes did not at all try to run for president in 1899; there wasn't even an election that year. And he wasn't exiled then either. He was appointed minister of war in 1900 and became governor of Nuevo León for the third time in 1902. It wasn't until 1910 before he made clear his ambitions to become president (and he never officially posed his candidacy). He was sent to Europe so he couldn't run, but that wasn't really an exile. The most interesting of this, is that this error has been here for more than 4 years! So much for the 'self correcting nature' of Wikipedia. Mixcoatl 22:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Orders and Decorations

Any information on the orders and decorations worn by Diaz in his official pictures? I recognize the collar of the Order of the Bath in at least one and the star of the Order of Saints Maurice and Lazarus in a couple. Any other lists of what foreign awards he was given?--Eva ^bd 15:28, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This article's rating

I think this article should have a Template:B-class rating. -dogman15 01:05, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Biography assessment rating comment

Nice article! I rated the article a B, but there still are a few remaining steps at WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps that you can take to improve the article (such as adding Wikipedia:Persondata). -- Jreferee 22:56, 21 March 2007 (UTC)