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Portugal To-do: edit purge Portuguese COTW Wikipedia:Portuguese Collaboration of the Week/Current Portuguese COTW Improve to Featured status Portugal Improve More... Review Category:History of Portugal: lots of crap to remove there Requests See Requested articles Listed for deletion Assess Help assessing articles. Need images Translate from Portuguese Wikipedia Wikify Vote: Watch this list — Edit this list

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Contents 1 The objectives of the portal 1.1 News 2 WikiProjects 2.1 WikiProject:Portuguese geography 2.1.1 List of municipalities of Portugal 2.2 WikiProject:Portuguese people 2.3 WikiProject:Portuguese history 3 Portugal collaboration of the week 4 Help 5 Collaboration of the week 6 HELLO 7 Archives 8 Updating the content 9 Featured picture 10 Colors 11 Major changes and WP:FPCAN 12 WikiProject Portuguese geography 13 Fortress of Sagres 14 Suggestion for Categories box 15 WikiProject Portugal 16 Stagnation 17 Proposal to merge Prehistoric Spain with Prehistoric Portugal & move to Prehistoric Iberia 18 New stub

[edit] The objectives of the portal

Let's start this. As the number of Portuguese wikipedians is growing, this portal project is the best way to unite all those interested in developing articles pertaining to Portugal. Joaopais proposed the creation of wikiprojects about Portuguese geography and people, it's an interesting ideia, I am also a supporter of the ideia that articles about Portuguese places should have a standard structure. I'm currently working on the articles about Portuguese municipalities and in the respective list. Any further suggestions and objective things to do are welcome. Afonso Silva 16:05, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

For now, the rules are quite simple. Edit whatever you want in order to improve the Portal, add sections, add news, quotes, etc. Please, respect the fact that the "Selected article", "Selected picture" and "Selected biography" should stay in the Portal main page for one week, starting every Monday. If you want to propose an article/picture/biography just add it here: Portal:Portugal/Selected content candidates, tell us why do you think it should be selected and sign with date. These selections are, for now, not a way to show the best articles related to Portugal, but those who are quite good but need a little more improving or are being nominated for featured wikipedian content. Gameiro 16:51, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

If you want to enter the official group of maintainers just talk to Afonso Silva or Joaopais (aka Gameiro).

Added portuguese interwiki. -- Slade _T 20:55, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

• I've moved the talk about geography to Portal talk:Portugal/geography, add it to your watchlist. Regards. Afonso Silva 23:09, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] News

I think the news in the news section could should have the day, like in the majority of the portals. What do you think? Afonso Silva 23:34, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

I totally agree. I forgot to do that. Thanks. Gameiro 01:25, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProjects

[edit] WikiProject:Portuguese geography

GEOGRAPHY TALK

[edit] List of municipalities of Portugal

I'm currently working on the article List of municipalities of Portugal, trying to make a whole new list, with a new format, if somebody could help it would be great as it is a very hard task. The sources I use to fill the fields in the tables are the website in the references and the articles of each municipality, howver, some municipalities (perhaps 40%) still don't have their own article, if someone could start creating them from the red links in the list, it would be fine, but please, use the Template:Infobox Municipality pt, and fill it in the same way you find it in the articles where it is included, in order to create a standard article structure.

I don't know how wikiprojects are created or mantained, but I'm able to help if someone explains me that. The WikiProject:Portuguese geography would be really useful. Afonso Silva 18:08, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

There is also an another portuguese municipality template: Template:Municipalities of Portugal Infobox. You can see that one here: Alijó. Perhaps the two should be merged. Kaldari 00:29, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject:Portuguese people

I need your advice here. The titles of the Portuguese monarchs' articles are quite a mess.

• We have some monarchs with the English name (Denis, the Ferdinands, the Johns, Edward, Joseph, Sebastian and Henry) and,
• we also have articles with the titles in the Portuguese form: (the Afonsos, the Sanchos, Miguel, Luís, Carlos and Manuel)
• Another strage thing occurs with kings named Peter and queens named Mary, as you can see we have both Peter I of Portugal and Pedro V of Portugal, and Mary I of Portugal and Maria II of Portugal.
• We have kings that were the soles rulling with their name, and thus are not numbered: Edward of Portugal, Denis of Portugal, Sebastian of Portugal. But we have others that, although having been the soles rulling with their name, are numbered: Joseph I of Portugal, Miguel I of Portugal, Luís I of Portugal, Carlos I of Portugal
• Antonio, Prior of Crato is named in Portuguese and is not titled António (I) of Portugal.
• We have kings of Portugal, using titles of other countries (Philip II of Spain, Philip III of Spain, Philip IV of Spain, Pedro I of Brazil)

What should we do with all these issues?

Please read Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles), I started and I found some relevant information for this case. I think we should standardize the names, all in Portuguese or all in English, I don't understood what the convention says. For those who where the soles ruling with their name, I think the number should not be present, but the convention says the number should be used if it was present in the official name, I don't know if their were used or not, but the Bridge in Oporto is called "Luiz I", for example, but I think you know those things better than me. If António was really king, he should have the title, was he? I believe in your word, I just don't know. About the spanish dinasty, the convention says: Where a monarch has reigned over a number of states, use the most commonly associated ones. For example, Charles II of England, not Charles II of England, Scotland and Ireland; Wilhelm II of Germany, not Wilhelm II of Prussia, although there should be redirects from these locations. That's it, I am not shure about what we should do, the major point is the translation or not of the names, what do you think abou that? Afonso Silva 22:53, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

• In English Portuguese kings should use its English name, the same occurs in Portugal to British kings. The same occurs in name of Popes, etc. This is due to historical relationship. So if a king is Pedro IV it should be Peter IV. The Brazilian emperors are another issue and are out of the portal's scope. -Pedro 00:10, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject:Portuguese history

Is anyone willing to help me out cleaning up the History of Portugal articles? I'm currently working on History of Portugal (1834-1910) and I'd appreciate some help. Anyway, if someone could just create some excellent concise stubs for Economic history of Portugal, Cultural history of Portugal, Arts history of Portugal, Demographic history of Portugal and Diplomatic history of Portugal would be just perfect. Another thing we need to do is to get rid of the timelines in Prehistoric Portugal and Pre-Roman Portugal. The timelines ate quite good, but they are not welcomed in the article, especially because they've have already an article of their own. Thanks. Gameiro 01:25, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Portugal collaboration of the week

• careto - Celtic Carnival tradition of trás-os-Montes

[edit] Help

Hello. I want to help the portal. What can I do? Please, answear me to my talk page. Thanks DiogoMartins 22:16, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Collaboration of the week

• We need to think in this issue seriously, There are many articles that are stubs or with various problems with more than one person foccus on it we can make them a little diamond. We just need people that are willing to use google, books and a little time. -Pedro 17:32, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:Portugal Collaboration done. start using it, plz. --Pedro 19:07, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] HELLO

Hello fellow compatriots! Don't leave me alone in the Portal... you know I'll ruin it sooner or later. Afonso Silva 11:42, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

• Sorry. I've been quite busy, but now I'm back. Gameiro 18:57, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm glad you are back! I hope we gather more contrinutors in order to improve the Portal. Afonso Silva 20:40, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I'll be away from wikipedia until Easter Sunday, I hope the Portal keeps up to date. But after all, it's Portugal, so things like that are not that unusual. Afonso Silva 09:37, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Archives

I've created the archives of the selected content, please add the current content to the archive every time it is updated. Good work! Afonso Silva 20:40, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Updating the content

Due to the lack of participation in the Portal, I propose that the content starts being chosen for a fortnight period instead of a week. Perhaps nobody will say anything, so, I'll not update it this week. Afonso Silva 18:50, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Featured picture

I propose that the featured picture should be presented alone, without text. Afonso Silva 18:56, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

• seems good.--Pedro 20:15, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Colors

I've changed the colors during the creation of a more stable layout, please say something about it, or change it if you want. Cheers! Afonso Silva 20:16, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I like how it looks.--Saoshyant ^{talk / contribs} (I don't like Wikipedophiles) 22:33, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Major changes and WP:FPCAN

After some feedback, I made major changes in the Portal and I will make it candidate to Featured Status. If you could help, both proposing changes or correcting mistakes, it would be great. Thanks!

This changes created two orphan boxes:

• Collaboration
• Guestbook

Afonso Silva 20:15, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Portuguese geography

I created the WikiProject Portuguese geography, go there, have a look, and say something. Thanks! Afonso Silva 14:34, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

• I've rearranged the template for municipalities, but a guy doesnt accept any change and even decided to vandalize the article about my city by putting a controversial coat-of-arms, as if I would be hurt with that. Thus I've created a new one: Template:Infobox Municipality portugal (Used here:Póvoa de Varzim)., which is a similar template to the one that is used in the Portuguese and Spanish wikipedias, which include flags. Why so much fuss about flags, is he the same guy that was continuously vandalizing Póvoa's flag in commons?! Municipalities have flags, some even anthems and mottos.---Pedro 00:27, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fortress of Sagres

I'm currently translating the Portuguese article of the Fortaleza de Sagres to English, but the article is kind of long and my translation totally sucks, so I'll need some help. I have already translated a bit, but most of it is yet to do, but what if I save the article as it is anyway and everybody gives a little help, translating a bit every day to finish it quickly. It's just that I will probably won't have much time to finish it today, I don't want to lose what I have done and also, I'd like some help, not only to finish it but checking for mistakes, errors, and also syntax and grammar. (PT: Construção das frases e assim...). So... --Serte 18:12, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestion for Categories box

An update to MediaWiki has allowed this - <categorytree>Aviation</categorytree>, which produces:

Just suggesting an update to your portal, but I won't make such an update myself, since I'm not involved here. - Trevor MacInnis (Contribs) 14:49, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Portugal

Hey kids. As some of you may have noticed, a brand new project to organize, improve, clean and find problems in Portugal-related articles was started (by me). All the structure is now finished. Please note that this project does not affect existing minor projects; instead it embraces them. We do however need someone to take the lead of WP:PT and try to recruit people to join the project, as well as establish priorities and a decent To-do list. Please help. Everyone is welcome to.

In Portuguese: Alô. Um projecto para tentar organizar, melhorar, reciclar e descobrir problemas em artigos relacionados com Portugal foi começado. A sua base e estrutura está toda pronta. Agora o que falta são voluntários para liderar o projecto, recrutar mais gente e estabelecer metas. Mesmo que não sejam bons no Inglês, há muita coisa que podem fazer. Por favor, ajudem.

--Saoshyant ^{talk / contribs} (I don't like Wikipedophiles) 16:45, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stagnation

It's quite clear that this portal is stagnated which might result in demotion from its featured portal status. I'd like to know if there are still users out there maintaining this portal. If it turns out that this portal has been abandoned, I can join the maintainers list.--Húsönd 21:48, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

• Portugal Portal should be added to every article that is related 100% to Portugal (cities, regions, towns, culture, history, not biographies though). In order to be more viewed and participated. --Pedro 01:01, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
  • That has little effect if the portal maintainers are not updating it/changing the selected content. This portal is at serious risk of demotion.--Húsönd 01:19, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Portal:Portugal is being linked from every single talk page of a Portuguese article through the WP:PT banner. Simply, nobody cares. Husond, if you can, please do become a maintainer of this portal.--Saoshyant ^{talk / contribs} (I don't like Wikipedophiles) 18:08, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
      • I've listed myself as a maintainer of Portal:Portugal. Before I start working, I'd like to propose this portal to adopt the selected content rotation system implemented in Portal:Basque. That would simplify and revive the rotation system here.--Húsönd 20:28, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal to merge Prehistoric Spain with Prehistoric Portugal & move to Prehistoric Iberia

Currently, the text of Prehistoric Spain seems really to be about prehistoric Iberia. Similarly, the text of Prehistoric Portugal seems really to be about the same thing. This would be perfectly understandable seeing as there was no Spain and no Portugal in prehistoric times. I have argued therefore that it would be best to have these articles merged under a title which indicates the geographical region rather than the modern states. I have proposed the articles be merged and moved to Prehistoric Iberia. Please come and discuss the proposal. Jimp 09:15, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello Jim. If the merge goes through, what shall we do with Pre-Roman Portugal? You see, Prehistoric Spain encompasses a period that the "Portuguese" articles differentiated into Prehistoric Portugal and Pre-Roman Portugal. Should we merge them all? The Ogre 13:48, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New stub

I created a new Portuguese-related stub: Tomé Piers‎. Perhaps someone can develop it further. I came across him when reading for my new article The coming of Islam to Indonesia (1200 to 1600) and hence the stub currently has this focus. Sorry, I have no idea where else to mention this. Merbabu 12:41, 24 February 2007 (UTC)