Talk:Politics of Gibraltar

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[edit] Politics of Gibraltar

I've included some details of the pressure groups which although defined as 'non-political' by their nature influence the actual politics of Gibraltar importantly.

The page probably needs tidying up, and its structure and layout more 'wikified'

I've also moved the previous discussion to

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Politics_of_Gibraltar/1

As its not appropriate to the page as it is currently and should be developed.--Gibnews 23:30, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Weasel Words

"While there is still considerable emotional attachment to the idea of Gibraltar being British, some see the Rock's future as being within a larger 'Europe of the Regions', rather than as part of one nation state or another."

If this is not to be deleted it must be rewritten. Who are "some" we need a citation for a credible source or group otherwise it's weasel words and unsubstanciated rumour or personal opinion of the writer. All of which are against Wiki policies.Alci12 12:00, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I can't really see what your objection to that statement is - its a commonly held view in Gibraltar which has been expressed on television and radio regularly, and there was a lecture on the subject at a meeting of the European Movement I attended.

Nor can I see how anything in that paragraph can be 'intended to deceive' perhaps you should read the article describing the phrase you are missusing.--Gibnews 17:17, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Then I will be more specific as you don't appear to have read it all.

"weasel terms...lack the normal substantiations of their truthfulness, as well as the background information against which these statements are made."

Generalization using weasel words

Generalization by means of grammatical quantifiers (few, many, people, etc.), as well as the passive voice ("it has been decided") are also part of weasel wording. Generalization in this way helps the speaker or writer disappear in the crowd and thus disown responsibility for what he has said.

   * "People say…"

"For example,...Application of a weasel word can give the illusion of neutral point of view: "Some people say Montreal is the nicest city in the world."

...Who says that? You? Me? When did they say it? How many people think that? What kind of people think that? Where are they? What kind of bias do they have? Why is this of any significance?"

Some see specifically, but the paragraph as a whole, as per the article is an example of the above; it isn't a source it's a writers opinion (right or wrong) hiding behind the phrase. If "some" think that then give a linked quote or a poll from a verifiable source saying that, so we can see who they are, how many they are etc. Saying you attended a meeting and heard it isn't a source as 'we' the reader can't check that you did go or heard that said. Nor can 'we' watch local TV. If it's so widespread there shouldn't be a problem backing it up with a sources.Alci12 10:24, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Ok then how would you express that? Its not particularly contraversial - it is a general perception and the argument against is use sounds to me like denying that Stalin killed millions of people because I can't tell you all their names. --Gibnews 11:43, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Read Wiki Stalin#Death_toll They give figures and estimates supported or validated by; pictures of execution orders signed by Stalin in one instance and a series of links to sites about the various numbers given in the article, see Stalin#Notes for the citations from books & accademic research supporting the articles contentions.

So, if as you say your edit is a widespread view, then you ought to be able to find, in an electronic form, a newspaper or media source saying exactly what you have said. Then just create a citation added to the article, as they have in the examples above, and everything is fine :)Alci12 12:16, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spanish nonsense

This article describes the politics of Gibraltar. Ill informed nonsense like Spanish population of Gibraltar was oblidged to emigrate from the teritory out, when UK took possesion of it, after having cometed some piratery acts have no place in it and are both inappropriate and factually incorrect.

--Gibnews 19:41, 31 March 2007 (UTC)