Talk:Pokémon NetBattle
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[edit] Trolling of this article
In general, people should probably revert anything edited by Twinkies, as this user seems to want to start a war between Smogon and PokeRealm and constantly posts nonsense non-related to this article. Chaos on the internet 03:08, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
- Is he trying to advertise PokeRealm in the article?--XenoNeon (converse) 08:40, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- He's saying that "Smogon is full of nubs" and "Pokerealm is superior," essentially. Neutrality on this issue is definitely hanging on the edge, although I see no problem with it currently. Artemis Kuiper 02:35, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
- Well, this is what would be expected is not it? SHUCKLE MAN
- I don't know what his problem is. I'll talk to him when I see him. Zeroality 20:59, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
- Well, this is what would be expected is not it? SHUCKLE MAN
- He's saying that "Smogon is full of nubs" and "Pokerealm is superior," essentially. Neutrality on this issue is definitely hanging on the edge, although I see no problem with it currently. Artemis Kuiper 02:35, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Needs more mentioning the Mariah Carey Fanclub.
- I agree, it should definitely be mentioned that the members of the MARIAH CAREU FANCLUB, THE EPITOME OF CUTENESS, have the combined IQ of mayonaise. Artemis Kuiper 20:59, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Pokemon Program
I found this Pokemon Simulator maybe someone could add a page on this? arsenalwwerulz 17:17, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- Not going to add anything, because not only do the two programs have no connection with each other that I can see, Simulator does not appear to be online at all. CeramicReality 02:11, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Personally I would hope that the simulator can upgrade some more since there's a lot of pokemon stuff that has yet to be added on Like the Shadow Pokemon data. (The only question is is there going to be a limit on which pokemon are Shadow types.) Also I would have to commenct on the Pokemon Simulator since it seems very hard to play it when your pokemon gets shot down so fast. if it's even the same level as the other.
[edit] Broken Links
Links to the official NetBattle site seem to be broken. Betbest1 05:15, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
About that-- the official website has been shut down, as the Netbattle program has been abandoned by its creator, translating into no new versions of the program. You can still download the program at smogon.com and/or pokerealm.net, however. Also, Pokemon Competitor, the successor to this program, is under development by one of the bug testers of the original Netbattle program.
- Current domain is tvsian.info. Think a link to Smogon's download page should be added? IIRC it also has whatever patches are currently out. Artemis Kuiper 03:05, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Competition
I added Pokemon Competition info to the page. As NetBattle's succesor it more than deserves a spot. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wizkid357 (talk • contribs).
[edit] APPROVED BY NINTENDO
I have for an image that proves for a FACT that people who work at Nintendo use this software. The link is in the My Nintendo forum below: http://forums.nintendo.com/nintendo/board/message?board.id=pokemon&message.id=491306. A direct link to the image is here: http://digidomainhq.homestead.com/files/smogonbeta.JPG
- Uh, what? That is just a screenshot of skarm's (not a Nintendo employee's) computer. :\
[edit] POKEMON COMPETITOR
Valid information and notability is needed. As of so far and to my knowledge, not even one screenshot or demonstration of it exists. Verification towards it actually existing is needed. NetBattle has reached notability from its popularity, but this supposed Pokemon Competitor so far has not even earned being mentioned, aside from talk here and there on Smogon.
- I agree. There's no proof it exists aside from a couple of people from Smogon talking about it. I don't see how this is notable, let alone even worthwhile. (4.238.173.103 22:56, 15 September 2006 (UTC))
There's no doubt that Competitor is a work in progress; there are currently 2 threads on Smogon.com dedicated to the community giving ideas/help for the simulator, and one dedicated to showing chaos's progress. Although the project is by no means finished, it's in production. Yes, it is notable... it is going to be the replacement for NetBattle, hands down, seeing as NetBattle will almost certainly not be updated again and 99.9% not have DP. (Threads in question: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9566 http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8267 http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13117) Intermediate Jesus
- As somebody stated earlier, it's only heresay on some forums. As an on-going project, it would deserve its own computer-game development article when something's actually forth. I'd only consider it remotely notable once it's finished. (4.238.175.93 00:17, 19 October 2006 (UTC))
I'm sorry, but it will be the replacement for the program that this article speaks of. NetBattle won't be relevant once it (Pokemon Competitor) is released. NetBattle's creator will no longer make updates to the program, and with the release of the next generation of Pokemon games being released soon, Pokemon Competitor will most likely be the only simulator that supports them (save a few side projects that would serve as replacements until the final product is produced). Calling it "heresay on some forms" is stupid. The reason it doesn't have an article is the last time someone tried to make a Smogon article, it was deleted due to claims of advertisement. Surely an "unnotable" project from this site wouldn't be allowed. You can think to yourself that it's just talk all you want, but please don't on Wikipedia when you have no idea whatsoever what you're babbling about. Perhaps you could go ask about it on Smogon yourself. Intermediate Jesus
[edit] PokeRealm stuff
OK apparently someone edited that crap back in about PokeRealm stealing analyses from Smogon. That never actually happened. That was the work of individuals acting alone. In fact, the only things we can even remotely be accused of copying is the concept of a netbattle/strategy site (which is like saying Burger King copied McDonald's) and the navbar incident some time ago, which was really overexaggerated imo. It's not like Smogon is the only site in the world (or even the first) to ever use an image-based navbar.
But anyway, I'll just let whoever keeps editing that in delete it themselves. I'll check back in a few days. If it's not removed, I will remove it myself and petition Wikipedia to lock the article. So if you want to make this article uneditable then be my guest. Zeroality 07:27, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
- Request to lock the article denied, FYI, and if you ask me to lock an article to your version in a content dispute I'll happily lock it to the version with the content you object to. :P That said, the silly, unverifiable, crufty accusation is not long for this world. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 08:30, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Well I appreciate you removing it. Thanks. Zeroality 17:08, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
PokeRealm isn't the second largest NetBattle community. The spanish site/server, POKEMON-STATS is. Saint Seya Brasil, a Brazilian one comes in third closely. Stop misinforming. (4.238.175.93 00:15, 19 October 2006 (UTC))
- Why does the fourth largest server get to make a shameless plug in this article and lie that they're the second largest? (4.238.175.165 20:19, 19 October 2006 (UTC))
It's the second-largest English-speaking server.
[edit] Notable?
I am considering nominating this article for deletion. I have heard of it (and played it), but I do not know if it is truly notable. Please advise. Andre (talk) 04:18, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
- I don't really know. Nintendo knows of it, and at some official and big competitions they have even advocated its use for preparation. In the competitive Pokemon community, it's pretty much a given that everyone uses NetBattle. On the other hand, I don't know of many sources that would mention it; most of the attention it has received is exclusive to the internet, and forums are not reliable sources. Voretustalk 16:35, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Thousands of people play the game on a daily basis. It's notable.
- Well, is there any way to meet the WP:SOFTWARE proposal? Andre (talk) 21:23, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
- As far as anyone but you is concerned, Andre, NetBattle meeting the WP:SOFTWARE proposal is unnecessary, as number one (1), right now, the WP:SOFTWARE proposal is, well, a proposal, and number two (2), if it ever became a guideline, it wouldn't apply to NetBattle, as NetBattle does not fall under Wikipedia:Notability (companies and corporations), which the WP:SOFTWARE proposal may be a guideline for and only for. NetBattle is fan-made software not meant for commercial use. Well, there you have it. Now I'll point out the mistakes you made in your edit. Number one (1), you didn't use any logic before throwing in the unnecessary questioning of whether NetBattle can meet the WP:SOFTWARE proposal, and number two (2), the fact that the questioning was illogical meant that it was unnecessary, as I mentioned above; You failed to read about what the WP:SOFTWARE proposal may apply to. Be weary of what you say. So many people like you bend the wills of the creators of Wikipedia to your own liking. It's easy for someone with good sense to shoot down such statements or questioning like the one that you made. -- The M.P. 19:41, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Question
Is this site/server still active? I have downloaded the client and started a team, but always get an error when trying to connect to the server 24.65.185.75 02:07, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
- That's because the registry has been experiencing a lot of downtime; you can still connect to any server through an IP or URL in the Advanced Menu. VectorBlue 01:31, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
- Furthermore, I don't expect the NetBattle mirrors to quit functioning for some time. They'll probably still exist when Pokémon Competitor is released -- perhaps not used, though. -- The M.P. 14:44, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] too much unneeded information.
As much as I welcome a wikipedia entry for Netbattle, I believe it doesnt need the servers, legalities and especially the datamode parts of it.
This is all frivolous near pointless informations and Netbattle isnt big enough to warrant an entry this long and so painful to read.
I'd advocate for the article to just explain what the hell Netbattle is and where it comes from. Vineon 23:12, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
- Surely you know, Vineon, as the main admin of Smogon, that an article about NetBattle on Wikipedia certainly needs more than just what you suggested. I happen to play NetBattle frequently, myself, and information about the different components of NetBattle (such as servers) should be featured in the article. Legalities? Maybe not, but people should know that there has been controversy over that matter. Also, did you ever think about how NetBattle might actually grow if there was a good article about it? -- 66.6.201.46 14:21, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Immature Comments, block new users from editting?
Too much unneeded info, shameless advertisement and just blatant vandalism. I suggest this article be locked from editing by new users.
- Negative. The fact that a person is a new user on Wikipedia does not affect the way that they go about making edits. The real problem is the people making the edits. They make accounts just to make innapropriate edits on Wikipedia. That's why they're new users. (Yes, I do know that you do not need an account to make edits on Wikipedia.) The only sensible thing to do is to block the specific users from editing. Anyhow, I find your sense of judgment disgustingly ignorant and offending; and, oh yeah... you didn't sign your comment. -- The M.P. 14:35, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Real NetBattlers working on Article...
If this article is ever going to be successful, it needs to be worked on by experienced NetBattlers. It's a pity that this will most likely never happen. -- The M.P. 14:44, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
As a matter of fact, I am somewhat of an 'experienced player', and have been making an array of edits here and there for months. This article interests me because I spend a lot of time on NSider educating newer users about the program. However, one last big edit as an overall 'polish' seems to be called for, as well as adding more sources. This is something I'll work on more this weekend when I have the chance.
I really need to consider getting an account on this site, with all of the minor work I do here and there that no one actually sees because of my rotating IP. - SKYUPPERCUT60
The problem isn't a lack of experienced users, it's the inexperienced users acting like they have some sort of authority (scroll up to the Pokemon Competitor part of this page, it's obvious the people arguing against me don't know what they're talking about...)
In reference to an earlier post, my username on NetBattle is actually Lord_Eliwood, SKYUPPERCUT60. I could definitely help with this article as well as with other articles relating to Pokémon. I don't feel that only a few fellow NetBattlers and I should just randomly make edits where we feel necessary. In spite of its obviousness, I'll say it anyway -- we as a whole need to decide where the article needs work and get to work. Its been way too long since any helpful edits have been made. -- The M.P. 03:10, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
