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[edit] Where is Johto

What happended to The Johto League in the Games? YOu can't see it on any map in Pokemon. Is it ever coming back?68.223.251.87 21:06, 7 February 2007 (UTC)Pendo 4

Johto lies just to the west of Kanto (where the first set of games and anime episodes is). I haven't heard of any plans to make any new Pokémon games including Johto. --Brandon Dilbeck 23:09, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I know that. i mean In Pokemon Fire Red/Leaf Green You can't even see it. Is it gone?Pendo 4 22:26, 8 February 2007 (UTC)Pendo 4

FireRed and LeafGreen are remakes of the original Red and Blue games. Johto didn't exist when the originals were released, so it is not included in the remakes. --Brandon Dilbeck 22:34, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
To be more precise, Johto is not visitable in FR/LG which is why it does not appear on the map. If you remember from G/S/C, Kanto was not visible on the map until the player was able to visit it. MelicansMatkin 03:40, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Wait. Don't you remember that in the map in G/S/C there was a little pathway linking to Kanto that you can see on the map? In Fire/Leaf it looks like there is nothing and that there is a hill looking thing.Also the Elite 4 pass way.Pendo 4 21:14, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
My god am I getting sick of this. Why does this issue matter? It says that the game graphic in the article was modified to show routes leading to Johto. You can't travel there in FireRed or LeafGreen, and besides, those games are presumed to take place at the same time as the original Red and Blue.—ウルタプ 01:06, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
As the above comment states, it is about timing. Gold, Silver, and Crystal take place 3 years (iirc) after the original games, and that route was modified sometime before then but after RGBY. As for whether or not we will see Johto again, I don't see why not. It should be noted that Pocket Monsters White Gold and Moon Stone were recently trademarked in Japan, along with Topaz, Tourmaline, and Amethyst. Whether or not the names will be used is beyond me. DanPMK 08:32, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
"White Gold" sure sounds like a Gold remake, but "Moon Stone" is kind of random. And they trademark all these gems and not Opal/Girasol like everyone expects? o.o;—ウルタプ 14:00, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

duh, the reason that Jhoto isn't in FR/LG is because it was destroyed in a pre-emptive Soviet nuclear strike ;)Shadoom1 04:50, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, and it was rebuilt before GSC took place. (cough) "White Gold" sounds kind of weird. "Moon Stone" is something that already exists in the Pokemon games... anyway, I doubt GSC will get a remake - then again, a lot of people want one, and they'll make what sells. I'll just hope for it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.127.53.130 (talk) 21:50, 19 February 2007 (UTC).

Ok. Sorry. I just wanted to knoow what happened. Sorry.Pendo 4 21:51, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA passed

I have passed this article for Good Article status. Congratulations! If you want this article to reach Featured Article status, I reccomend adding more inline citations and references for now. Funpika 01:30, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What is this picture doing here?

It appears that someone has uploaded a picture of the starters, which seems fanmade, and has no rational or copyright information, and has placed it in the article. Should we IfD it? Or what? Jerichi~Profile~Talk~ 13:58, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what justification would be used to delete it, but I agree that it doesn't belong - it's a fan-made picture made using hte sprites, and it really serves no purpose. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 19:15, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I removed it from the article, so if nothing else OrphanBot will get it eventually. If anyone wants to get rid of it faster, that'd be fine too. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 20:59, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pokemon Online

Hey everybody, I found this site that has a Pokemon MMORPG and it sounds legit. You need to download the client like every other MMORPG. I dont know if its real or a virus so im not downloading it yet. Do you think you guys could look into it? The websites address is http://www.pokemonol.net/. I would really like to try it but my computer antivirus stinks lol. If it is real and not a virus we can add it to the Miscellaneous section.

p.s. This is my first post, so I hope I didnt break any rules.Tythesly 22:34, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

That depends on what you mean by legit. POL is pretty reputable, so you probably won’t get a virus from them. I even played the old Alpha, back in the day.( The same cannot be said of their advertisers, necessarily, so don’t just go clicking everything and think it will be OK).
Unfortunately, yes, you did break a rule, but it’s OK, now you know in the future. See, these talk pages are for talking about the articles, not the subjects. In other words, this page is NOT for discussing Pokémon, it is for discussing the Wikipedia article about Pokémon. If you want to talk/ask about Pokémon, you should go to a forum somewhere. --WikidSmaht (talk) 23:01, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Umm, I think he/she was thinking of adding this in the article, maybe? :p Look at the end of the post. Just wanted to clarify. 213.42.2.11
There isn't a miscellaneous section. But if he/she was thinking about making a miscellaneous section and putting that in there, it might be okay...but then again it might not be relevant enough to use at all. So basically the poster was not breaking a rule. Funpika 13:23, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Talk archived.

I am happy to say that I successfully created Archive 2! Approximately 55 discussions were archived this time. Pokémon/Archive_2 has been set to redirect to the Pokémon article the same way it was from Archive 1. An archive box is on this page, Archive 1, and Archive 2 now. It is possible to navigate the Archives using it.

4 discussions other than this one were NOT archived due to how recent their discussion is. These discussions will be archived in Archive 3. Funpika 00:48, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citations

It is about time we seriously try to get this featured. But we haven't met the criteria yet. The main problem is citations. Once we get those I will get this article Peer Reviewed and depending on the results, this article's rating may elevate to A class and a nomination for Featured Article will be placed. I am hoping that this article reaches Featured by the end of Q1 2007 (end of next month). I will be working hard trying to get citations today. If I get enough I will get this peer reviewed later today or tomorrow. Funpika 14:53, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I think it's a little absurd to try to get this featured before the games are even released in the US - once they are, they'll serve as primary-source references for much of the stuff here anyway, not to mention that with new info coming in at an increasing rate up to the release, there's a good chance the article won't really meet the "stable" criterion until the games have been out for a few weeks. There's no hurry - it's probably best to wait on FA, and just keep the article decent until then. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 21:40, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
You are referring to Pokemon Diamond and Pearl? I would 100% agree if this article was solely for Pokemon Diamond and Pearl, but it is NOT. This article is for Pokemon in general. Do we really have to wait because of 1 small section of the article? Frankly I think you thought this article was only for those games, considering you didn't say WHICH games even if it is painfully obvious. You only said "The Games". Funpika 22:36, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
  • slaps self in head* Sorry about that, I was fully under the impression that I was on the D/P talk page...stupid me. :(
This page, yes, by all means, we need to get as many citations as possible and get it featured. I'll look for some too. FA status for this article is long overdue. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 23:27, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Apology accepted. :) Maybe you thought this was the D/P talk because now this talk and the D/P talk are about the same size since this talk page got archived yesterday. Funpika 01:40, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] characters last names

this may not seem important but what are the characters last names?

  • ash ketchum
  • misty williams
  • brock harrison
  • gary oak
  • tracy sketchit
  • may maple (or birch)
  • max maple (or birch)
  • jessie Yurimaki
  • james morgan
  • hikari

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 144.162.56.63 (talk)

As far as I recall, only Ash Ketchum, Delia Ketchum, Gary Oak, Samuel Oak, and Tracey Sketchit are the only important characters on the show who have officially been given last names. Anything else you've heard of is probably speculation or made up by fans. --Brandon Dilbeck 02:26, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good Website

Should I Add This WQebsite? I mean it had info of pokemon Diamond And Pearl Even Before The Japaneese Started Working On it. Pokemon Elite 2000 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pendo 4 (talk • contribs) 13:06, March 4, 2007 (UTC).

How could it have info on the games if they weren't even started? --Brandon Dilbeck 21:43, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Wow, that's just...I'm not sure what to say to that. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 04:42, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
PE2K is just a fansite (albeit a pretty good one), and frankly there's nothing there (besides its sprite galleries, which we don't use) that isn't done better at another site such as Serebii or Psypokes. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 04:41, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

This Website Has Been On Since 2001. This website had info found way before Pokemon.com will get it. It may be like Serebii but it has a more simple layout. Oh and the Pokemon Diamond Pearl Info on the website was when the Japaneese announced the game. I still think it should be on.Pendo 4 21:09, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

The article already has five good, official links. Wikipedia isn't a repository of links; if we added a link to one fansite, then by precedent, we'd have to allow links to all of them to be added and then there'd be dozens if not hundreds of links, which would be really unprofessional. --Brandon Dilbeck 22:13, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
While the fansites usually do post information before the official pokemon.com site does, it's absolutely ludicrous to imply that any fansite recieves the information first, considering pokemon.com is run by Pokémon USA. Not to mention that, from observing several sites over the past month or so, serebii.net posts information a few days before pe2k.com on average, and updates more often, so even if we were going to put a fansite in the external links section, it would probably be Serebii, not PE2K. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 00:09, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] About the new additions

I really like the new stucture of the article - it flows a lot better than it did before. However, because it's largely rewritten, there's a good amount of copyediting to be done. :) I did some editing on a few sections tonight, and I'm planning on looking the rest over as well, but it's definitely a good idea for everyone possible to look it over - the more eyes, the more errors get caught, and if we nominate this for FA soon, we don't want to be tripped up because of grammar, style, or consistency errors. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 04:34, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree very much. Shindo9Hikaru

[edit] Starter Pokémon

I know how influential a player's choice of Starter Pokémon can affect the game, but I am having trouble seeing the significance of including a section about them in this article. --Brandon Dilbeck 22:16, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not actually sure if we need an overview of the game mechanics at all: isn't that what Pokémon (video games) is for? If we do decide to leave it in, it would be better to have a mechanic that's prominent in all the media (including the TCG and manga), like Pokémon battles. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 00:15, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pokémon name origins

I remeber a while back there was a page with the name origins for all the Pokémon, and now it's gone. Why was it deleted? Can someone bring it back, because I thought it was very useful. --User:marioguy 10:35 CST

I don't remember a page like that, but I've only been hanging around here for about a year. I have to disagree about the article sounding useful—it sounds interesting, but not encyclopedic (and probably chock full of original research). If it's any consolation, nearly all of the articles about each Pokémon species has that information in the introduction. --Brandon Dilbeck 18:01, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I imagine that if it ever did exist, it was removed because of OR concerns. Frankly, any and all speculation on the origins of individual Pokémon names is technically OR, because Game freak and Nintendo never say anything about it, even though a good number of the names are almost painfully obvious. It's been generally accepted that name origins, OR though they may be, can stay on each page, but I can imagine that a full article of them would grind on a few editors' nerves. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 00:43, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] English contraction

You can also get Pokemon out of Pocket Monster Atomic1fire 04:15, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Sure you can, but that's largely coincidence, which is why I removed the bold from the English part a few days ago. The contraction actually comes from the Japanese: Poketto Monsutā. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 05:30, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm confused; isn't "Poketto Monsutā" just the Japanese way of writing something that must be pronounced "Pocket Monsters"? [1] If so, it's no coincidence that it can come from either name. --The Raven's Apprentice(Profile|PokéNav|Trainer Card) 03:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Close, but not quite. "ポケットモンスター", Romanized to "Poketto Monsutā", isn't just the way "Pocket Monsters" is spelled in Japanese, it's also how it's spoken. In other words, the pronunciation is inflexible (it's always pronounced "ポケットモンスター"), but it can be written in three different ways: katakana, direct Romanization of the katakana, or the Trademarked Romanization. The contraction was originally used in speech, so "ポケットモンスター" became "ポケモン". The fact that the rules of English happen to place the right letters in the right place for the contraction to be derivable from the trademarked Romanization as well is a coincidence: "pawket", "pockit", and "pocket" would, theoretically, be pronounced the same, but only the spelling of the actual English word, and not other versions of how the word might have evolved, actually contains the same four letters as "Poke". Likewise, "pocket" could have, when Western loanwords were being absorbed into the Japanese language, been spelled/pronounced "パケット" ("paketto"), which is arguably as close to the English word "pocket" as "poketto" is. In this case as well, the official Romanization and the katakana would not match up. It's just a matter of coincidence (albeit not a very far-fetched one) that the English and the Romanized Japanese happened to line up.
Regardless, the "Pocket Monsters" derivation doesn't belong in the article. Sorry for being so long winded, I just wanted to make sure anyone who was wondering the same thing could understand it. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 08:34, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
While we're on the subject, there's quite a few ways to type the é character. If you're using a Windows computer, you can hold Alt and then type 130 or 0233 on the number pad. On a Mac, you can press Option and e, then press e again (once for the acute accent, then once again for the e under it). Or you can type é into the source code—it'll turn it into a é when the page is rendered. Or you can copy and paste the character from one word to another. You can also copy the character from Character Map, if your computer has that. I'm sure there are other ways as well. --Brandon Dilbeck 03:22, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Or you can just use the little "é" in the "Insert" box at the bottom of every edit field. ;) It's also a great way to put in the various extended vowels (ā, ē, etc.) that are often found in the Japanese names. Now if only it had katakana... ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 08:37, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Pokemon game announced

Coro Coro has announced a new pokemon game! Look at this link! http://pokemonelite2000.com]

Should I put it on?Pendo 4 20:58, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

We should wait until there's actually something to be said about it. Hold tight until the magazine is available. --Brandon Dilbeck 22:08, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
On a possibly related note, Serebii has now reported that another Mystery Dungeon game is in the works, but he's not sure yet if that's the game that will be mentioned in CoroCoro. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 08:15, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
I thought Serebii failed source notability guidelines. Either way, it still seems like speculation. bibliomaniac15 05:00, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey look at This!!! Pokemon Dungeon Sequel! I found them on these websites: Oh and I am Pendo 4 not some other person who found these websites. [2]

and [3]

It is still unknown if these are the games Coro Coro are talking. Most likely not since it is not really possible for it to be announced before Coro Coro and that the Websites are not from Coro Coro.Pendo 4 20:07, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gold And Silver Error

The second generation of Pokémon began in 2000 with the release of Pokémon Gold and Silver for Game Boy Color. Like the previous generation, an enhanced remake titled Pokémon Crystal was later released. It introduced 100 new species of Pokémon (starting with Chikorita and ending with Celebi), for a total of 251 Pokémon to collect, train, and battle.

I believe the lines "Like the previous generation, an enhanced remake titled...Pokemon Crystal...was later released. It introduced 100 new spieces of Pokemon..., for a total of 251 Pokemon to collect, train, and battle." are out of order. This statement might lead some to believe that Pokemon Crystal itself introduced 100 new species of Pokemon, not its previous incarnations of Gold and SilverEugeneBaker 18:39, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is The Diamond/ Pearl Picture Valid?

There is no copyright information or anything admitting to being fan-made.Gatogirl 16:22, 23 March 2007 (UTC) pokemon is the best ever and it is bomb —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 142.227.207.193 (talk • contribs).

[edit] 4kids AGREED?

I find it pretty hard to believe that anyone would willingly give up such a cash cow. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.72.21.221 (talk • contribs).

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