Talk:Pocahontas (1995 film)

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Contents 1 Plot details 2 Page move 3 Trivia section 4 Plot section 5 Historical Facts 6 Waterfalls in Virginia 7 Kocoum 8 "English" 9 "More" prejudicial than the Europeans? 10 John Smith character link 11 First female protagonist

[edit] Plot details

Can someone provide the plotline to the movie? --User:Angie Y.

[edit] Page move

This page was moved from "Pocahontas (1995 movie)" to "Pocahontas (1995 film)" as per the naming convention set out at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (films) – Ianblair23 (talk) 23:49, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia section

Mulan was also based on a true story, so I'm going to take out that part about Pocahontas being the only Disney film to be inspired by a true story. If anybody has any concerns, raise them, but it doesn't seem as if people post much on this discussion page... Highconclave 10:51, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

• I thought Mulan was based on the poem, which itself was put together from a series of events and legends. BethEnd 08:00, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

• The tale of Mulan is considered a legend, not a true story. Sly Soprano 04:51, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

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This is not accurate: "The first and only Disney animated film to be based on fact."

Aside from whether it is or not the first and only Disney animated film based on "facts", the story about a romance between a Pocahontas woman and John Smith is simply impossible. By the time the unreliable John Smith claims Pocahontas saved his life she was about 11 years old (1607). Smith left Virginia never to return again two years later (1609) when Pocahontas was around 13 years old.

• "Based on" does not imply "completely rooted in." The basic story, minus romance, is true. Chill. Sly Soprano 04:51, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

• • Is it? I'd say the motivations of the Europeans are false as well. I've lived in Virginia all my life. I'm a native myself, although of an Iriquoi based tribe and not an Algonquian based tribe as the Powhatans were. We learned all about Pocahontas in the reservation's school and when my mother moved out of the reservation, the social studies teacher celebrated my coming to the school by talking about Pocahontas in class. Although I don't see why, wrong family of tribes, but anyway. I have never once read or heard anything about gold diggers in regards to John Smith's expedition. Sure, Europeans were always on the look out for gold, but this expedition was NOT a bunch of gold diggers.

I wish Disney would re-make this movie, and show the truth, not the lies they incorporated in this movie. Once they do this, then we can criticize their poor choice in movies. --66.218.17.240 03:29, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Plot section

Is someone going to explain the plot of the movie or not? --User:Angie Y.

[edit] Historical Facts

I think we should mention the fact that when Pocahontas "saved" John Smith from her father, it was really part of a complex initiation ceremony and that John Smith wasn't ever really in any danger. Just a suggestion. --LatinaEinstein 01:24, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

There are worse factual errors in the movie. The biggest one being that the movie depicts Pocahontas as being a young adult by the time the Whites (and their Bubonic-plagued rats) arrive in North America. However, in reality, she was still a child then... I wish my whole family would stop insisting I am a descendant of hers... my whole family being Native American. However, that asshat Bush cannot be a descendant. He is white for god sakes! SilentWind 16:22, 20 October 2006 (UTC)SilentWind

[edit] Waterfalls in Virginia

Contrary to the article, there ARE actually waterfalls in Virginia. I've seen dozens with my own eyes. The real problem is that there are simply none that large, or large enough to really be named at all. Of all the waterfalls I've seen while treking about in the wilderness never reach higher than 10feet in height, and they're usually just creeks, not rivers. So the waterflow isn't enough to do more than babble and trickle. The only waterfall I've seen that had any force to it was about 8 feet tall, and 5 feet wide. It was a part of a very rocky and cliffy rapids area of one particular river. This one waterfall was in an area that we call "Devil's Kitchen" because of all the whirlpools. To getinto the river that makes that one waterfall, the only one in Virginia that i myself have seen that comes off a river and not a creek or brook, you must drop down about 30 feet of sheer cliff face. It's certainly not the safest place in the world to be singing and dancing. Especially concidering the turbulance in the area.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]]).

I agree with you. I myself have done a lot of hiking around that area of Virginia. There were indeed a lot of whirpools, rocky areas, rapids and cliffs that looked very dangerous. For some odd reason the mere thought of whirlpools scares me O_o maybe because one nearly drowned me when I was a child...... Back on topic. The only waterfall I saw that had any force whatsoever was about the size of the on you described, but it had very steep (almost sheer) banks that went down quite a few feet so I couldn't get anywhere near it. There were some very sharp looking rocks at the bottom of it, and the water was very shallow, so if you were to go over the waterfall you would most certainly die. Downstream from that waterfall the water gets very deep and turbulent. Yes, certainly not a safe place to be playing around in a canoe made from a tree trunk! SilentWind 20:48, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kocoum

I will never forgive Disney for this. The first person to die, on-screen, in a Disney movie, and it's a Native American. I was very furious about that the first time I watched the movie. -SilentWind 21:48, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I also changed places where the word "Indian" was used to "Native". People, please don't use the word "Indian".... unless it's referring to people who are actually from India the country.-SilentWind 21:53, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "English"

I don't believe it's accurate to refer to them as "English settlers" when Ben is blatantly Scottish. Also, by this time King James I had united Scotland and England (as much as Ratcliffe refers to only England).

[edit] "More" prejudicial than the Europeans?

Another criticism of the movie was it portrayed the Native Americans to be just as if not more prejudicial than the Europeans

I don't think this statement (which is grammatical incorrect anyway) is accurate. I'm not saying the film didn't portray the Native Americans are being prejudicial, but it certainly portrayed the Europeans as being the more prejudicial. If you'll notice, in the "Savages" song, when the lines are repeated by the natives they are toned down. For example, Ratcliffe's "they're not like you and me, which means they must be evil" is changed to "they're different from us, which means they can't be trusted" when spoken by Powhatan. Also, the film clearly depicts Ratcliffe as being the villain and the main source of all the bigotry. 67.171.163.212 02:08, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] John Smith character link

the John Smith character wikilink links to the actual John Smith, whilst Pocahontas' links to her character, and to add to that, he (the character) doesn't have an article... so should we keep the link or what? (I just check some of the other links, and it's the same for Chief Powhatan and Governor Ratcliffe) Abcdemily 04:45, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I say remove the links. If someone creates articles for those characters, then they can be added back. -- Annie D 05:11, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] First female protagonist

In the trivia section there is this sentence: "Pocahontas is also the first female protagonist in an animated film by Disney." I'm not disputing this, but I just need clarification. Are Cinderella and Snow White considered protagonists or not? -- Annie D 00:42, 6 March 2007 (UTC)