Talk:Plot of Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo

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Contents 1 Comment 2 Quick Note 3 Couple Notes 4 Too much plot

[edit] Comment

• Someone please add info to this article. DO NOT DELETE!!!!!! Naruto has a plot summary too. Kid Sonic

• StrangerAtaru, I commend you for adding info to this article. Kid Sonic

No problem there. I'll try to add some more (though I do wonder about the "Former Maruhage", since that's both the "Return of the Third Era" and "Neo Hair-Hunt Land MAX" sections, but I split them up due to location and such), but I do have a busy schedule. So I'll try to at least do Z-Block within the week. -StrangerAtaru 18:32, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

• I must say, this page is really improving. Good job, StrangerAtaru! Now if only we can upload images. Kid Sonic

[edit] Quick Note

• Hajike = Wiggin
• Heppokomaru = Gasser
• Tokoro Tennosuke = Jelly Jiggler

[edit] Couple Notes

• Since the dub has not reached the Former Maruhage/Chrome-Dome arc yet, I really don't want to make too many changes to that section at this time. While some of them make a bit of sense, I still want to wait and see what the dub gives us.
• As much as I don't like someone changing the chikuwa to a churro, it is a reasonable change due to previous dub information. On the other hand, we don't know yet what Ujikin TOKIO is: shaved ice, water ice, or ice cream. While "ujikintoki" is a style of shaved ice, I rather wait for the dub before changing it or not. -StrangerAtaru 21:11, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Too much plot

When I started putting up the plot on this page, I basically started detailing it because if I didn't, then most of the story would be "Bo-bobo and gang go to fight an enemy...the enemy has weird stuff, the good guys have weirder and more powerful stuff...good guys win". If you want me to do something, either split this page into various new pages for each arc or something else, tell me and I'll adjust it. All I know is that if other manga are allowed to have story pages, this one should as well. -StrangerAtaru 01:20, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

When plots are written in an in-universe perspective and very detailed, they can be considered copyright violation. See here and here to learn more. I have requested some feedback about this article here, in case you want to read it too. -- ReyBrujo 02:25, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry about it, you're doing a good job. We have to make some sense out of this anime so newer fans that can't relate can get a good understanding of the plot. Kid Sonic

The problem is the whole matter of copyright violation. I tried to avoid as many of the gags and nonsense as possible and it still turned out too detailed. If this was a Bo-bobo website, maybe they could take this, but for a website that wants as consise as possible without spoiling too much, I'm still worried about what I did. -StrangerAtaru 16:19, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Consider one thing: suppose one guy decides to read this article completely, and another to watch the chapters described here. They both meet, and speak about the series. Is there anything the guy who watched the chapters be able to tell to the one who read the article that this last one does not know? Putting aside how nice the graphics, the music or the gags are, and concentrating on the storyline, is it so well described that the guy who read the article knows everything of importance that the other guy knows?

As an example, check 24 (season 1), the article for the full first season of the 24 TV series (which I guess everyone knows). Note how the series summary is as long as a single chapter summary from here. -- ReyBrujo 18:44, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

The best thing I say we should do is just delete this and just leave it to the anime episode guide to show the plot. But the problem there is the matter of the story after the end of the anime, which is one of the reasons some of us keep wanting a plot guide. We tried as well in making a manga chapter guide, but that doesn't seem to work either since it just overanalyze or makes the page too long. To make this more concise perhaps means perhaps doing something to the guides for One Piece (which just goes over ever arc) or Love Hina (where its bulleted, but more structured mostly since its a linear story based within time. -StrangerAtaru 19:52, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Plot arcs are usually done in long standing animes (like Sailor Moon, Dragon Ball, etc). However, again, if we are going to analyze every chapter in each plot arc, we go back to the beginning. However, if you analyze plot arcs as a whole and not as the sum of individual chapters, then it would be perfect. Note that this does not prevent, in the future, to create articles for every episode of the series. However, again, if the article focuses in plot in an in-universe perspective, then we would be back to this article. -- ReyBrujo 20:10, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I think I have an idea...maybe if I start from the beginning, keeping the first paragraph or so, I may cut a lot of this stuff to get to the point. -StrangerAtaru 22:40, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Well whatever you do, DO NOT DELETE THIS PAGE! We worked too hard on this. And all in fairness, we'd have to delete the [[[Naruto]] plot page too. Kid Sonic

We're not going to delete the page. Basically if we can figure out how to make a plot page without spoiling everything and without being a collection of bullets, then we can keep this. The biggest problem is trying to figure out what's important and what's not...especially in a series where the details are more interesting than the plot. -StrangerAtaru 14:04, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

But that's just it. The Bobobo series has a lot of wild unexpected humor and gags that interfer with the real plot, so we have to make as much sense of this as possible. I know when I was watching the first few episodes, I was confused and hardly understood what was going on, but I kept on watching it because it was funny. Kid Sonic

• OK, I don't even know what's going on anymore. I was changing the plot information, making it much less detailed yet within limits, yet its still going to be deleted? What the heck was the point of going through all that just for another deletion warning? If I knew this was going to happen, then you should have deleted this a lot sooner. -StrangerAtaru 14:00, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia works through consensus. There is no "magical" recipe: You write an article, someone may come and complain about something, and you discuss with this person and solve the difference. Then someone else may come and complain about another thing, or maybe about the same thing, and you will have to deal with it. Sometimes articles you have put a lot of effort in are deleted because it is not acceptable according to our guidelines, sometimes articles that are pretty bad written stay because they are main topics in encyclopedias. Right now, a user added a {{prod}} tag to the article, stating he thinks the article is not necessary and proposing its deletion. If you think the article is necessary, remove the tag with a comment in the summary stating why you think the article should stay (or you can just use a blank summary, it is the same). The prodder will likely send the article to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, where the community will learn about the nominator's statement, and will judge based on guidelines, policies and precedents, and after 7 days (unless a huge majority goes for deletion or everyone agrees to keep the article), an administrator will check and decide whether the article should stay or be deleted based in the information posted in the discussion. This may be the first time you get an article prodded, but is likely not to be the last one: people think "different", and what something is needed for a user is not needed for another user. If you do not remove the prod warning in 5 days, it will be considered that you have accepted the proposed the deletion and the article will be deleted.

As I said, there is no magic involved: some will consider the article necessary, some will not. You will have to accept that fact. -- ReyBrujo 21:36, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I know there's no magic formula and I know the Bo-bobo plot is rather simplistic and can be taken from the Episode guide (or even a manga guide), but I'm sort of at wits end about this. Someone asked me to work on this, I tried the long route and its copyright infringing, then shorten it and its going to be deleted. I may want to speak with some of the other Bo-bobo contributors to see whether to fight this, but I'm ready to just let this page go if I'm going to keep being bossed around by the editors on what's content and what's not. -StrangerAtaru 21:47, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

As far as I see, you have not been "bossed". I warned you that extensive plot with an in-universe vision can be considered copyright violation. Hopefully you understood and changed it (and not just changed it because "of compromise" without understanding what I meant). You shortened the article, and now the article is much better than the first versions. Now, AMIB prods this article because he thinks it is not necessary. Make no mistake: he would have prodded the big article too, as you could infer from his comment at WP:WAF. As I told Kid Sonic, I don't know what Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo is, nor I really care. But when I see something wrong, I fix it if I can, or warn about what is wrong. I am a wikignome, and that is what I do. You seem to consider the deletion process as "an offense" to your work; if that is what you think, you should go back to the main page and begin reading again. Wikipedia is immense, has 1,633,996 as of last week, and deleting articles that do not fit Wikipedia happens every day. I am not sure how many, but I am guessing over 1,000 articles are deleted per day. If you take it personally, you will "suffer" Wikipedia instead of love it. I don't expect you to understand, you are a pretty new user who has limited experience in the "article" namespace, and only with anime-related ones. Once you begin spreading your focus, begin editing in the Wikipedia namespace, being watching deletion discussions and begin reading style guides, guidelines and policies, you may look behind to this time and laugh for all the stress you got for misunderstanding elemental facts about Wikipedia. It happened to me, I don't see why it would not happen to you. -- ReyBrujo 02:56, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I know I may look back and laugh on all this...heck, sometimes I do wonder why I started with this Bo-bobo plot project in the first place, but Kid thought it was a good idea for a plot page (even with the little to no plot in this series) and I just decided to follow along. As for my experiences in editing Wiki, I just rather stick with the anime series anyway, since there's always good opportunity to create and adjust pages with consistantly changing information. Its my area of expertise, so its no big deal. -StrangerAtaru 14:48, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I have an idea, StragerAtaru. Why don't you save all of this info on Microsoft Word, then notify me on my user page when you find a decent Bobobo forum site. We'll make an official FAQ thread there. We can't let all of this good info go to waste! Wikipedia is soooooooooo depreciative! Kid Sonic