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Heya, I see you haven't even received a standard welcome template yet, how rude of us!

standard welcome template follows:

Welcome! 

Hello, Plek, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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Always nice to meet fellow cloggies on Wikipedia! And like the template says, if you have any questions feel free to ask on my talk page. --fvw* 04:12, 2005 Jan 9 (UTC)

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[edit] Thanks for a hand!

As a new "Wikipedian", I get confused with the syntax, bracketwise, but it is logical! Old-style programming. Regards MGTom 00:18, 2005 Jan 24 (UTC)


[edit] Anne Frank

Well I thought it's now or never, so I've nominated the Anne Frank article on FAC. Let's see how it stands up to scrutiny!! Rossrs 06:51, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I think the bit you added about the 5 pages is good. I've tweaked it just a little bit, but good, it wraps that section up nicely. I've left a note on sj's talk page asking for a response to the edits done after the oppose vote. Hopefully will get a reply. Rossrs 21:26, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Featured Article !!! Congratulations and thank you !! Rossrs 13:29, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thanks for nominating young Anne to go on the main page, and thanks also for letting me know. I hope they'll bend the rules. I'm learning every day here - I did not know you could request having something featured on the main page. I thought some faceless committee just used the articles as they saw fit. cheers ! Rossrs 09:07, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I was just minding my own business, and lo and behold, Anne Frank's face on the main page. This is very exciting! :-D Rossrs 09:45, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
and the vandals have been very busy - not surprisingly. Such a blinding lack of intellect. It's good that so many people have been jumping straight in to fix it. Rossrs 10:12, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Yes, I was just about to tell you to keep your anti-vandal bug swatter at hand, when the bulding I'm in was evacuated because of a fire alarm! Ah, well, we're back inside now. It was a nice show, anyway. I'd suggest we take a close look at the article tomorrow (or so), and see if the inevitable additions need any editing. Cheers. --Plek 10:52, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hi Plek! No I'm not on holiday yet, but this time next week... I've had a look at the comments and immediately made the Pia Zadora connection also. I wonder if we could just swap the quotes. Would that work? hmmm Seriously, yes he does have a point. I don't know what the answer is, but I'll put down my ideas. Cheers. Rossrs 11:38, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Kylie Minogue

wow! I love that Washington Post review. "Worst actress in the English speaking world" !!! But the real question for any serious cinema goer - was she worse than Pia Zadora? I wonder what Bob Gulla would say?  :-) On a more serious note, I think we're making great progress with this. I had a bad moment when I realized I had an edit conflict, so I hope I picked up everything. I think so. Also thanks for checking Anne Frank. I've never been able to spell "accommodate". Rossrs 16:37, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hi, Sorry I didn't reply about Kylie... I didn't see your messages, and I didn't receive a message alert. Kylie's acting - well I think she's great in every other department, but as an actress I think she's like watching an accident slowly happen. That's why the Moulin Rouge! bit works so well - she doesn't have to act! I quite like the automaton image, however I can see she looks like a mannequin. I only chose that because as an "album cover" it qualifies as fair use, and it didn't have any writing on it. I'll see what I can come up with. I'll try to find maybe a screenshot from a video or live performance and see if I can get something that's reasonable quality. I've been trying to find one positive quote about her, to balance the Miki Berenyi of Lush quote where she says she should be fought at every turn. I thought something from another musician would be good but haven't been able to find anything. Maybe this will be a future featured article. I can see the arguments against it are going to be Anne Frank X 100. Rossrs 01:57, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Hi again. I think I've had a good idea. I have been thinking that the Minogue article made too much use of album covers, they don't particularly illustrate the text effectively and make the article seem a little repetitive. So while looking for screenshots, I found some that I think are really good. I've substituted some of the album covers for screenshots, and I think they are more instructive, address some of the points made and give the page more variety. Rather than drastically edit the page, I've made a test page. Can you have a look here, at: The all new, all singing, all dancing Kylie Minogue page, and tell me what you think please? Cheers Rossrs 04:57, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)


Hi. I think what you've done is great. I'm glad you were able to sharpen the "Better the Devil You Know" image. I wanted something that was adult rather than just another display of flesh, and I like that image. The Money Can't Buy image is superb too. (I don't like the Body Language cover. I think she looks like a 60s Bond girl or something. Don't like it at all, so I'm happy you've removed it) I'll try to find something else for the Fever tour. I was trying to find something that gave an indication of the sets, the dancers, the costumes etc all in one shot, but yes it does look cluttered. hmmmm. Failing that, the DVD I have also has her Brit Awards performance, so that might have some possibility. I must get that Money Can't Buy DVD...

I'm glad you like the Ophelia thing. I was very excited when I found that. I was thinking "Just let someone try to say that's not encyclopedic!". Editing - agree with you on every point. With regards to quotes from "The Australian", that is the most respected newspaper in Australia. The equivalent of the "London Times" or the "New York Times" so praise from them, is praise indeed. I'd like to leave one of them but you're right, there are too many. Likewise one quote comparing her to her peers but not all of them.

About leaving Deconstruction, joining Parlophone, Nick Cave etc. I don't think there's a story there. Just coincidence I think. I read that Minogue was used to being PWL's number one act, and didn't like just being one of the roster at Deconstruction and she thought they could have tried harder to promote her. (they spent very little on promotion I think). On the other hand they were expecting to make a huge amount of money off her with minimal investment and were disappointed when they didn't, so the parting was mutual dissatisfaction. Then when she was shopping around for a new contract (same interview) she was supposedly with a Parlophone bigwig who said "Well Miss Minogue, the thing is we don't have anyone like you on our books", to which she replied "nobody does". Which is a nice anecdote but I think she was going to sign with whoever gave her a good deal, and Parlophone gave her that, plus a lot of artistic control. Maybe Nick Cave recommended Parlophone to Minogue, or vice versa, but I've never read anything to that effect.

It's taking shape! I'm happy for the Sandbox page to be used for playing around with getting it right before it's taken onto the main page. So you're welcome to do whatever you like. What you've done so far has been just great. Rossrs 07:52, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

new Fever screenshot. And sound samples added. Rossrs 08:55, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hi, I've added a talk page to the Kylie sandbox. I thought it would be easier to have all the ideas in one place. Talking about the Kylie Sandbox. It'll be easier to delete later if it's in on place. ;-)

G'day - unfortunately no email. Could you send it again please? I've checked my preferences and the email address is correct. Also, it's been kinda nice having a Kylie-break the last few days, but I've been thinking it might be time to nominate. I'm going on holidays in mid March (about the 16th I think) and I'll be out of range for 3 weeks, and I don't want to bail out and leave you dealing with the (of course there won't be any) objections. Would you like to do the honours? Rossrs 11:48, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hello, I think the KM nomination looks fine. I'm not sure what the protocol is by the third nomination, so what you've written sounds good. I also agree with the Madonna article - too over the top now. As for Anne's new category :-) words fail me... Rossrs 21:44, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for taking care of the nomination! 4 supports already! That's getting off to a great start. I forgot to mention (but you've probably noticed) I added another photo. I was looking for a photo for something else and couldn't help myself. So it's a screenshot from "Confide In Me" and I put it down with the sound downloads where it was looking a bit bare. If you don't like it, just delete it. I won't mind. It's so good to read people saying good things about our article! Rossrs 08:00, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Success!! Congratulations to you on a job very well done - for all your hard work and excellent judgement!! Rossrs 23:19, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I appreciate your comments, and I enjoyed working with you also. Likewise, feel free to contact me at any time. I'd always be happy to hear from you. cheers. Rossrs 12:39, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hello Plek - Guess who is going to be featured on the main page on April 27? have a look here. The positioning of this message to you should be a clue. Did Terry Blamey ever reply to your email? cheers Rossrs 00:27, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] A.F. FAC edits

Hmm, how odd! I don't know why I didn't get an edit conflict, nor why my request for a separate article about the book didn't show up. Yes, it was just a mistake; thanks for the correction. It's shaping up to be a fine article so far. +sj + 09:33, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Esperanto

I've made several edits to Esperanto addressing some of your objections to its featured article candidacy; still working on others. Please take another look when you have time. --Jim Henry 17:33, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Cantos

Thank you for your Canto comments on WP:FAC. They have really helped improve the article even when I have disagreed with them. Filiocht 08:49, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Edit summary

Thanks for the advice Plek, much appreciated. I should certainly use the edit field more liberally, and will try to in future. All the same, it's hard for me to see that not using it makes edits indistinguishable from vandalism, a moment's reading should tell the difference. Thanks, The Recycling Troll 10:51, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] SNIyer1

Thanks for your note, Plek. I'm uncertain at the moment as to whether proceeding further is the right thing to do. This editor has never communicated with any other member of this community, so far as I can tell, despite having made, I believe, around 1,700 edits. I've found an e-mail address for him, and have e-mailed him a friendly note saying his lack of response to messages about his edits is causing some confusion and would he please talk to us about it. I suspect I'll get no response, but I'd like to leave it a few days to see whether it makes a difference. Thanks for helping out with this; it's much appreciated. I'll keep you posted. Best, SlimVirgin 08:09, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] South Africa FA

Hello, this is just a brief message to say that I have responded to your comments at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/South Africa and I look forward to your further comments at that forum. Thanks! 172.148.142.203 23:27, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] IHR

Please refraid from falsely accusing me of vandalism. Read the IHR article and see for yourself that there are lots of unanswered questions regarding the "diary".

Unsigned comment by Adolf (talk · contributions). What an original name! --Plek 12:10, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Signpost

Thanks for the tip. --Michael Snow 21:21, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Good show!

For rational comments, sensible remarks, and inexhaustible cool in the face of VfD debate, you are awarded the Iceberg of Cool Reason.
For rational comments, sensible remarks, and inexhaustible cool in the face of VfD debate, you are awarded the Iceberg of Cool Reason.

Your comments on the Khakain VfD were insightful, cool, rational, and well-reasoned. They should probably be preserved somewhere in a formal policy.

Keep up the good editing. I have created the Iceberg of Cool Reason award to recognize the words and deeds of editors who calmly and coolly demonstrate that—to borrow your words—it's about the article, not about you. Feel free to add it to your User page. Or not. :)

--TenOfAllTrades | Talk 00:58, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC), revised 02:14, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Mount Pinatubo

Hello Plek - Just wanted to say thanks again for your comments on my peer review request for Pinatubo. I've done a fair bit more work on the article now in response to your suggestions, and I think it could be ready for an FAC nopmination, but I wondered if you had any other comments before I take it over there?

Thanks also for the suggestions on Silverpit crater's peer review which helped it make it to featured status! Worldtraveller 00:39, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] FAC - Aquinas College, Perth

there was no last FAC for the article. Just one peer-review Smbarnzy 11:25, 1 February 2007 (UTC) thanks for your input


[edit] SorrySorrySorry!!!

I just accidentially blocked you. But you were fixing vandalism, not doing it! I am very sorry! (See Block log. Hope i did not catch you witin an edit. Guess I have to wipe my glasses better. Sorry again -- Chris 73 Talk 11:56, Mar 13, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Star Trek FARC

I see that you cited the same concerns that I was about to respond to 18 minutes after you posted. Looks like we agree on a few points. -- AllyUnion (talk) 23:17, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

I was trying to correct my absent-minded slip, and hit two edit conflicts, by which time you'd done it for me. Thanks. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 15:05, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Waking the Tiger

Hi Plek. I've done as you suggested to rename and tried to rewrite as best as I could. Now I'm asking for your help if you are interested. The VFD has transferred to Waking the Tiger.--Jondel 05:45, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Hi Petja, thank you so much for voting for me in my adminship nomination! I really appreciate your support. Best, SlimVirgin 03:18, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Impostors

Somebody claiming to be you has erased my talk page claiming it was that of an impostor. There is obviously a security bug here, since your talk page has been duplicated. --CSTAR 13:36, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

  • I blocked him indefinitely. It's just our friend the impostor vandal. He's well known around here, but no real harm done. – ClockworkSoul 13:50, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Deletion review/Myg0t (second)

Hi, I notice you've had a say in previous discussions about deletions/undeletions for the myg0t article, I'd just like to inform you that another such discussion is occurring now, so if you'd like to voice your opinion, for or against undeletion of the article, feel free to post your thoughts.[1] - USER-cacophony 20:12, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Guy or Guide Wires

  • Edit: [Talk:STS-116#Guy-wire_vs._Guide_wire] an explanation for my confusion. Sorry. --x1987x(talk) 13:43, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] J. P. Morgan Peer review

Hello there. I have noticed that you have peer reviewed several articles at Wikipedia before. I am asking if you could find some time to peer review J. P. Morgan for me, and leave comments at Wikipedia:Peer_review/J. P. Morgan. Many thanks! — Wackymacs 22:59, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

Welcome back Plek! It's good to see you. You were gone so long. Cheers Rossrs 02:01, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I would say it more than demonstrated her courage. Bjorn Again can be quite scary, especially Frida Longstokin. I loved it so much I hesitated in changing it. It offered so many layers - Nelly Furtado presumptuously considering herself on a par with Bjorn Again and saying she'd like the chance too. Minogue demonstrating even further bravery by doing a duet with Boy George. I've filed it under "favourite edits".  :-) Rossrs 06:10, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chris Kraft and Gene Kranz

Thanks for your congratulations on the Kraft article--I really appreciate your support and the editing work that you put in. It really helps to have an independent eye who is able to give the article a critical look-over in the final stage.

My next project is Joseph Francis Shea, which I'm halfway through at the moment. I'd thought about working on Gene Kranz, but to be honest the article at least seems in better shape than many of the other Apollo-related articles. I'm somewhat curious to see how good it can get while following the typical Wikipedia bit-by-bit approach. Having said that, I may pick it up later on once I've finished Shea, and if it's something that you're interested in working on, I would certainly be willing to help out. MLilburne 07:59, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] long-running

You get the award for the most hilarious edit summary ever written on Wikipedia!!! Thanks for the laugh. By the way, that was great feedback you gave on the WoW article. You really help improve the place. Cheers, Jeffpw 20:50, 21 January 2007 (UTC) (also in Flag of Netherlands)

[edit] Dannii Minogue samples

The inclusion of sound samples would be wonderful and I think it would greatly add to the article! I agree with you on the length of the samples. Anything less than 30 second is just too short for the listener to be able to take anything from it. Samples that short would not be worth adding to an article. Thank you so much for putting the samples together, I had no clue where to start! -- Underneath-it-All 22:10, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment Plek. As far as rationales go, the ones I used in the big-sister article are all the same, and for all the attention given to fair use in images, sound samples seem to attract very little discussion. I think you were right to include "Love and Kisses", although the song is a dog. (There was a great parody of the song on Australian TV, which I think you would appreciate. The words were changed of course, including the chorus which went from "All I need is your love and kisses" to "All I need is a famous sister"). If anything, I suppose her "early" period is under-represented. Maybe "This is It" or "Jump to the Beat" could be included, especially because they convey a more "pop" sound than her later efforts which are more specifically in the "dance" genre. Just a thought, but obviously there needs to be a limit on the number of songs used. Rossrs 21:01, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kylie Minogue

Thanks for catching my accidental rv! Sorted now! Pedro1999a |  Talk  22:57, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

...for removing the lunacy from my talk page. I can not believe I am in an edit war here, and on Commons, over Claudette Colbert. And I haven't actually written anything. Thanks, appreciate your intervention :-) Rossrs 09:25, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

and again. You have to see this edit [2], the edit summary you used on my talk page repeated without the slightest hint of irony. It's unusual.  :-) Rossrs 07:00, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, it's bizarre. I didn't look back through the older edits so I missed those ones. I find it kind of creepy seeing your edit summaries used verbatim, but completely incorrectly and out of context. There's something unthinking at work here. Rossrs 07:28, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] STS-116

Thanks for reverting the abbreviations. I did the same thing back on January 24th. I just checked a few previous missions and they don't use abbreviations. Manassehkatz 01:50, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Maserati MC12 FAC

Thanks for commenting on the Maserati MC12 nomination, I was a bit worried about the prose myself. I had a friend copyedit most of the article (in my account) yesterday afternoon so I got at least 1 pair of fresh eyes and it's listed at WikiProject League of Copyeditors. I was hoping that you could point out some of the errors so that I may get it up to standard. Thanks, James086Talk 06:44, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I noticed you copedited Maserati MC12. Thanks a lot. I can see now how it's clearer, but even reading it one word at a time like Tony's guide suggested I still didn't pick up on them. Thanks again, the article is better for it. James086Talk 07:10, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lisa Nowak

Good work on the Lisa Nowak. For many people this week, this article will be the first Wikipedia article they've ever read. Rklawton 18:16, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Likewise :) Gwen Gale 22:47, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding Lisa Nowak

Plek, the page is not for advocacy, it is to make the person suffering from severe love obsession (I've sometimes been in the same situation, it is unbearable feeling) feel better. let people write her that they love her. Please, restore the link.

Regards, Ilya Shapiro (kirpitchom@hotmail.com)

I doubt she'll be visiting Wikipedia to feel-the-love. Rklawton 20:54, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Administrators Notice Board

Hi Plek, I just wanted to let you know that I've left a message at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Disruptive edits and minor but constant mischief edits regarding the silly edits that have been appearing on my talk and user pages (and other unexpected places) over the last few days. I used one of your revert edits as an example. I'm not wishing to draw you into it, but it was a good example to give. I just wanted to let you know that I had included it. Rossrs 14:44, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I sure hope you're not counting my revert among the disruptive and mischief edits... :) --Plek 17:54, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Of course I am. As I said, yours was a good example. ;-) (and English is my first language, would you believe?) I was going to report you for the Kylie and Bjorn Again edit too, but that's been more than a week, so unfortunately you're off the hook. Thanks for your detective work. It seems that in the last day while I've been busy working, a certain user has gone into cerebral meltdown, has started attacking another editor, and has got himself blocked. Not exactly a huge surprise. Cheers Rossrs 06:39, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 218.217.204.139

This is your last warning. The next time you vandalise Wikipedia, as you did to User talk:Wbrz, you will be blocked from editing. --Plek 20:43, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Because WBRZ is my page.--218.217.204.139 23:55, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] News guidelines

Based on your comments on Lisa Nowak, I thought you may be interested in joining this discussion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Notability_%28news%29

Regards, Bwithh 00:58, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wonderful!

You are doing a wonderful job at keeping the references formatted to standard and cleanly ordered at Lisa Nowak. This does keep disputes down to a whisper since few are willing to argue with reliable citations and some are even swayed by them. Thanks! Gwen Gale 19:22, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Haha. You mis-spelled her name and gave Homer something helpful to do ;) Gwen Gale 19:40, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Toomuchtrivia tag on the Chicken Run article

I reverted your reversion on this article for the simple reaosn that WP:AGF does not always apply, and, in this case, I believe it does not apply. You may revert my revision if you believe the tag is justified as I believe other users may be more qualified to make that charge. But it is my belief, upon preponderance of the evidence, that the toomuchtrivia tags were added across the project in a disruptive manner, hence my revertings. In the few cases where the tags were justified, I defer to other editors to make that call. TheGreenFaerae 00:52, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Perfectly all right. With only one page to look at, there's no way you could have known the whole story.TheGreenFaerae 04:05, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Horse dead

Eeeeeeeeeeeeek! :) Ok, that helped. Gwen Gale 00:21, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Joseph Francis Shea

Your editing help was so useful with Chris Kraft that I thought I'd ask you to take a look at Joseph Francis Shea, which is my latest project. It's up for peer review now and I'd really appreciate any comments and suggestions that you have the time to offer. Thanks! MLilburne 15:35, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AIV report

Plek, your report is too complicated to be addressed on WP:AIV. Your edit can be found here -- you should copy and report it at WP:AN/I, where admins can give it more attention. AIV is more for obvious vandalism that needs to be squashed quickly. Thanks! -- Merope 21:39, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] KM

Hi Plek, I'm glad you did that and I don't understand why last time around there was no result. There's something about that kind of dogged persistence in working against consensus, without discussion, that I do not understand. It annoys me greatly. It'll be interesting to see what happens. Rossrs 09:41, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I just saw your reference to autism and it's so weird. I'd been thinking that the lack of interaction was somewhat autistic in character, but I didn't dream it might be the true reason. I restored all the warnings to the talk page. Not that they'll be considered of course, but just so that anyone else (and there have been several others) who might choose to leave a message there will see that there is a history. I'd already commented and restored those edits before seeing your link to the other user page with the autism comment, so now I'm thinking maybe this type of approach is bound to fail. Rossrs 14:21, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AIV report (take 2)

Howdy Plek - I think the complaint you've put on AIV is a little more complex than what is normally intended for that board. It really deals with imminent and persistent vandalism. I would normally suggest writing up a more detailed complaint for AN/I, but you've already done that (in a very clear and well written fashion) and it was not acted upon. Please give me a bit to look through the history and I'll follow up asap. Kuru talk 02:18, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I'm convinced it's the same person as the IPs and (obviously) the other named account. I've started him out with a 31 hour block to see if I can get him to at least comment on it, since warnings seem to have zero effect. I'm hesitant to do much more at the moment since it appears that he is contributing (I think). I've added Kylie Minogue to my watch list; but please let me know on my talk page if he removes other people's comments from article talk pagess again. Kuru talk 02:47, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
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