Talk:Plattenbau
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We should get a photograph of these. David.Monniaux 20:04, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Done. abelson 12:00, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Merger?
Plattenbau is a term very specific to east germany and in many ways is different from the more general 'tower block.' A link suffices to make the connection. Merging these two articles would be like erasing the article for 'Germany' and instead putting everything for Germany under the article for 'Europe.' Not a good idea. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.83.27.187 (talk) 13:32, July 7, 2006
I don't see why the East German use of prefabricated concrete construction techniques warrants a separate article. It should be made a part of a larger article on prefabricated housing, however the article on Tower Blocks needs changing. It either should be renamed British Tower Blocks or should be rewritten to include other examples. Also the article only really discusses high-rise prefab housing and not low-rise. A lot of GDR Plattenbau was low-rise in central East Berlin. Not only that there were (and still are) some quite nice looking examples of what Plattenbau can be when they bothered to make an effort. I think the Plattenbau article should be merged into an improved article on prefab housing but not into the Tower Block article as it stands. Perhaps for now the Plattenbau article should be expanded. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Per1892 (talk • contribs) 18:33, March 2, 2006.
I would strongly oppose a merger of Plattenbau into sections on Tower Blocks and/or prefabricated concrete buildings. I believe that the status of Plattenbau as a nation and culture specific concept in its own right warrants maintaining the separate listing for this term. The term has come to identify a very specific subset of prefab concrete buildings built in East Germany between 1950 and 1989 and differentiates them from the general heading of prefabricated concrete, and indeed, tower buildings generally. There could be a link to the section on Ostalgie too, as the revitalisation of Plattenbau settlements can be seen as part of the rediscovery of (and renewed nostalgia) for East German culture. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.50.143.22 (talk) 21:48, March 8, 2006
- Merger: I don't see any sense in a specific article about East German precast concrete construction. It's a kind of building construction that has deep roots in modern architecture itself, thus all over the world. Actually, precast concrete construction was the favored kind of construction in most former communist countries, but this applies to all countries of the former Warsaw Pact. You'll find, for instance, large residential areas of this kind in any russian city, much bigger than, for instance, Marzahn in Berlin. There is by no means anything special about the bygone GDR about it. Gamgee 15:39, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
- Support merge - Plattenbau is just the German name for a global phenomenon. I don't think there's enough here to justify a separate article (yet). All these articles, including Panelák and similar, should be merged together. However, I don't think the UK-centric "Tower block" is the best title; not all such apartments are towers. I'd suggest "Apartment block," the closest to a universal term I can think of (not all such standardized apartments were prefabricated, so it can't be based on that term). ProhibitOnions (T) 11:42, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
- Strong oppose - It would be better to keep the distinction between construction technique and application - stongly suggest a merge with Shear wall though.--Mcginnly | Natter 14:53, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. I believe the subject deserves a separate article on its own merits. Regards, E Asterion u talking to me? 16:21, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- Strong oppose regarding merger of Plattenbau and tower block. I even oppose merger of Plattenbau and Panelák. Plattenbau, Panelák etc. should be treated as extended sub sections of tower block. JanSuchy 23:25, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. For a native German speaker, the word 'Plattenbau' is unique. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.50.36.26 (talk) 09:59, October 12, 2006
- dont merge. this is term belongs especially to East Germany. please, do not merge. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.0.209.173 (talk) 02:57, December 3, 2006
- Strong oppose - Plattenbau describes a method of construction just as "brick building" or "timber framed" do. It does not describe a single design style. A Plattenbau can be anything from a single detached family bungalow, a row of 3-storey town houses, a (longer than high) Appartement Building or a Tower block. The german term "Plattenbau" has a different scope than the english "Tower block" just as the czech "Panelák" may be considered as one of many sorts of buildings constructed in the "Plattenbau" method and may be designed as a "Tower block". Not all "Tower blocks" though are build using prefabricated concrete slabs und thus are not always constructed like "Plattenbauten" or "Panelák"s. Remembering some long winding "Panelák"s, I don't think I would refer to all these buildings as towers as they can be a lot longer than high. "Plattenbau" could be considered a subgroup of "Prefabricated housing", but I guess no one in Germany would normally think of a prefabricated wooden house as a "Plattenbau". Think of the english word "wood", this can be translated to german either as the material "Holz" or a larger group of living trees "Wald"; sometimes there is no one to one translation that is identical to the scope of the meaning in different languages.--T.woelk 03:03, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
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- How about Prefabricated mass housing? This would be a bit clearer as the main article, and then national variants (Plattenbau, panelák, tower block, etc.) could have their specific articles as required. ProhibitOnions (T) 15:18, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
8:3 oppose:support merge (although half the oppose votes are from anons). It looks like there's consensus to keep. Plus the article is a little more substantial than it was when the merge was first proposes, so I've removed the merge tag. I think ProhibitOnion's idea is good. There should be a page (and a category) that incorporates this. They could be split off from the tower block article and only the main page would need to have the long list of translations. I'll put a "split" tag on Tower block. Tocharianne 20:04, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
A reason for the anons may be that the authors base is not the english wikipedia but rather that of their own language. I myself have only signed into the English and german Wikipedia, although I have edited in the french, malaysian, italien, danish, indonesian, spanisch and others I can't remember. It would be great if I could sign in only once and could sign in whatever language I hapen to browse. --T.woelk 12:27, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
- That makes sense, I didn't think about that. Tocharianne 15:59, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
