Talk:Pisco Sour

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[edit] Ongoing vandalism - Please stop

I truly understand how this drink is a source of national pride both to Chileans and, apparently especially, to Peruvians. However, there is no need, nor any good reason, to continually attempt to write Chile out of this article (as the last several edits have attempted to do). The fact that both countries claim origin rights on this drink is well documented. Yes, Iquique was a Peruvian city at the time the drink was supposedly invented, and yes, Peru does have a seemingly stronger claim over the origin of the drink based on the verifiable evidence presented so far in the article, but it does not change the facts of the article. Both countries claim the credit (though why credit can't be shared is something that escapes me). Chile exports more Pisco, thus Chilean-style Pisco Sours are more common outside of the two countries than Peruvian ones. Both countries have an interesting story about the creation of the drink, but mostly the stories appear anecdotal more than stories based on hard, provable facts (at least that's how they appear in the article).

Productive edits that provide reliable third-party verification of facts are very much welcome. Editing this article in the name of national pride is not acceptable, so please stop doing it. Thank you. --Willscrlt (Talk·Cntrb) 15:49, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Someone added "brought the grape to the Peruvian Viceroyalty from Europe" (replacing region with Peruvian Viceroyalty). This sounds like a good edit, because it is more specific, but due to the ongoing blatant nationalism-driven vandalism, I am cautious about accepting any statement like that without a citation from a reliable source confirming that the region was, in fact, part of the Peruvian Viceroyalty at the time the grape was introduced. If someone could provide such a citation, I would love to see that information added to the article. --Willscrlt (Talk) 01:05, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Doesen't make sense

This thing doesn't make sense. It's an article about Pisco Sout, not Pisco per se. Thus, saying that "hence, Pisco Sour is peruvian" is wrong, as lemons are never mentioned. The actual sentence should be "Pisco is Peruvian", which would be irrelevant to the article in anyway.

The last part of the article: "Since the Spaniards arrived to Peru at colonial times, they introduced pisco to Peru way before they reached Chile. Hence, Pisco Sour belongs to Peru." dosen't make any sense. That the pisco arrived first to Peru doesen't imply that they invented Pisco sour. There is still a debate going on about the real origin of the pisco sour and it dosen't look proper for an encyclopedia to take the side of one country without even giving a proper reason. It is not Perupedia so this kind of articles are a real insult to the intelligence of the readers.

It's silly anyway, as spainards had to pass the magellanes strait in the southern cone and sail along complete Chile (with stops in chilean Valparaiso) until reaching Peru. Panama channel didn't exist then! But who understands peruvian arguementation anyway...they always construct the most fantastic stories...

You have no idea. The spanish came overland FROM Panama to get to Peru, decades before Tierra del Fuego was traversed by Europeans. The Spanish were in Peru first, this is indisputable!! And this is from a North American history book, not some Chilean one. Yeah maybe Pisco Sour is from Chile, but you guys have no references to back it up.

[edit] pisco sour

Just try a couple of these drinks and you will be doing some fairly odd edits yourself, believe me. I lived in Lima for a while and I tell you they are potent. Quite delicious too.

Editdroid 04:41, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pisco Sour is Peruvian

I am not sure who claims ownership of this article but it is certainly misleading and should be removed or edited. One can understand that today there is a dispute between Peru and Chile about the origin of Pisco based on the grounds of production levels and consumption indexes rather than tracing back history.

However, to say that Pisco Sour (the famous drink which main ingredient is Pisco) is a cocktail from Peru and Chile it is inaccurate. Pisco Sour is a cocktail from Peru that it is also consumed in Chile and in other parts of the world.

Pisco Sour was first prepared in Lima, Peru, in the early nineteen twenties in a bar called the “Bar Morris” located at Calle Boza 847, Jiron de la Union, Lima. The cocktail soon became the favorite of locals and international guests of the Hotel Bolivar and Maury (upscale hotels of that time) whom helped it gain the international fame it has today.

If anonymous would be so kind as to point us where did he get that information, maybe there could be a nice discussion about it. But just saying things you imagined and presenting them as facts it's not going to help improving the article in any way. Azrael81 22:39, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

well, there is also the chilean version of Pisco sour being invented in Iquique.

It is said that we owe the birth of pisco sour to the English steward of a sailing ship named “Sunshine”. Elliot Stubb obtained leave to disembark in the port of Iquique, with the aim of settling in the city and opening his own bar. In the bar which he established, he experimented with many aperitifs and drinks, of which a fundamental ingredient was the limon de pica – a small lime grown in the area.In order to offer new varieties of alcoholic beverages, the Englishman experimented with many combinations, trying to create pleasant drinks. Until one fine day, he mixed pisco with his most valued ingredient, lime, and added a good dose of sugar. Fascinated by the delicious result, Elliot made it the specialty of the house, and dubbed it “sour” for the acid touch which the lime gives it.So it was that pisco sour quickly spread to all the social clubs and bars in the port of Iquique as the essential aperitif, and from there it reached the whole country and beyond its borders.http://www.turismochile.com/guide/chile/articles/600

[edit] HOW DRANK YOU CAN BE?

i can say ..just with 08 glass of pisco sour peruvian, u can be totally drank lol! ITS REALLY DELICIOUS....IM PERUVIAN GIRL...........

[edit] Chileans don't have anything on Peru

Sorry, but the history of Pisco Sour from Peru is supported, and legitimate. It has a date, names of the actual place, a freaking address, and probably people around today who actually drank at that bar, back then. The Chilean story is absolutely preposterous. Some ship? Where are your references Chile? INVENT YOUR OWN DRINK!! 70.29.190.17 02:55, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I deleted a caption on the pic

I think its important to see this, in the first pic. i saw "chilean pisco sour", that is odd scince months ago i saw the same picture under "peruvian pisco sour" and it also looks extreamly familiar to peruvian pisco sour (maybe they both look the same?). In any case i do belive it important to add both pictures or no pictures to pursuit a neutrality. if i am wrong, PLEASE change it, but give solid proof to make this a NPOV article. Also, in the spanish article es.wikipedia.org/wiki/pisco_sour the same pic is shown with "peruvian pisco".

Hello. I agree with keeping the article NPOV, however, the change from Peruvian to Chilean in the caption was vandalism. All one has to do is click on the photo, and you will see the photo details, which state:

Description: Pisco sour

Subject: Peruvian Pisco sour is ready

Country of origin : Peru

Photographer: © Manuel González Olaechea y Franco

Shot date : July, 29th , 2005

Therefore, the Peruvian adjective is the correct one. I also see that at the same time the caption was changed, someone reversed the Peru/Chile sequence of words around within the article (i.e., making Chile first, and Peru second). This would again appear to be vandalism in the form of national pride. I will modify the caption since the photo is a Peruvian one, but I will remove the nationality from other places I have used the photo.

I am also going to revert the order of countries back for the following reasons: (1) The Chilean claim of creating the drink is earlier than Peru, but the claim listed in the article is not cited, and the Peruvian claim is. That makes the Peruvian claim verified, and the Chilean one not. If someone can find citeable proof that Chile's was first, then it might be appropriate to reverse it. (2) As the article points out, Iquique was a Peruvian city at the time the article claims the drink was invented. Despite the fact that Iquique is an important Chilean port city today, the credit should still go to Peru for creating the drink if it was invented in Iquique in 1872.

I certainly understand national pride, but Wikipedia is not the place to express it. Until reliable third-party proof is provided that shows that Chile (not a former Peruvian city currently within Chile's borders) invented it, the article should remain giving Peru the first place listing. This is not a slur against Chile, but a correct representation of facts as they have been presented to this point. --Willscrlt 21:19, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lime? Don't be a Noob its Lemon

Pisco Sour uses LEMON not lime. Don't know where you get the crazy idea of lime.