Talk:Piran Bay
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The German Wikipedia has a more detailed discussion of the whole dispute at de:Internationale_Konflikte_der_Nachfolgestaaten_Jugoslawiens#Die_Meeresgrenze_zwischen_Slowenien_und_Kroatien
There's also an alternative map image at Image:BorderDispute BayOfPiran blank.png -- AnonMoos 02:38, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
- Made a new map... AnonMoos 14:06, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Slovenian territorial claims? Or not?
I noticed that someone changed Piran Bay page i.e. my text Latest slovenian territorial claims was changed to Slovenian proposal of ecological protective zone.
Does proposal of ecological protective zone means that Slovenia doesn't claim that this orange triangle is under Slovenian souverenity? Because, if it does claims souverenity over this waters, than it must be explicitely stated in the article.
--Ante Perkovic 10:29, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] No, it is not a claim
Hello!
Ecological protective zone is not a part of any nation's territory. It is usually declared in order to protect nation's rights at sea even outside its territorial waters (like Croatia declared it in 2003). Nation, which declared ecological protective zone usually wants to protect its interests and to protect ecosystem in the area. Ecological protective zone has to be in connection with nation's territorial waters (there's a problem - Slovenia says it is, Croatia says it isn't).
Have a nice day.
Sorry, but You are wrong.
See http://www.vecernji-list.hr/system/galleries/pics/050828/karta.jpg.
You see that yellow dotted line? That is line between epocontinental belt of former Yugoslavia and Italy. This is the area wher those two nations could claim some limited national right or leave it open for everyone. It's their choise. Italy and ex Yu could claim that right, but other countries, like Marroco or Zimbabve, couldn't because their territorial waters don't touch open see. Slovenia in the Adriatic today has the same problem - it's territorial waters doesn't reach the open see. Slovenia cannot possibly have connection to open see because, every drop od open waters is closer either to Croatia or Italy then to Slovenia. It's the only thing that matters. For the same reason, Bosnia-Herzegovina doesn't have access to open see - their coast is just to short.
--Ante Perkovic 06:52, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] We are not discussing national border
Listen, we are not here to decide about that. We are only discussing that ecological protective zone isn't part of national territory. Let our Governments to decide, alright? Let's not make this article based on nationalism but on pure facts.
Have a nice day.
I really don't believe that You don't see this as a border issue. You have either been missinformed or don't understand the problem at all.
We are discussing national borders because only the countries with free acces to open see can declare ecological protective zone or any other zone. So, it is a question of souverenity over part of the see and, therefore, we are discussing national borders. These are facts, not nationalism.
--Ante Perkovic 12:02, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
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Look, you pasted the Slovenian proposal of ecological protective zone. That's cool. But we can't discuss here if it is OK or not. We can ONLY say that it's OK for Slovenia and bad for Croatia. That's all. Further more, ecological protective zone has nothing to do with Piran Bay, which we are discussing here. Maybe you should remove that and leave only the situation in Piran Bay (which was the original goal of the article).
But, the problem is that Slovenia CAN NOT propose an ecological protective zone because it doesn't have the right or the authority to do it. Don't you get it? The Slovenian "proposal" is NOT legally valid. It's absurd and it's against international law. It's tantamount to Croatia declaring a national park in the Alps. A country can declare an ecological protective zone ONLY if it has free access to international waters which Slovenia DOES NOT have. Therefore, if Slovenia declares an ecological protective zone, it claims free access to international waters, therefore it claims a portion of Croatian territorial waters, and therefore it IS a matter of national border. Slovenia is the only European country which claims a portion of another sovereign nation's territory. Deal with it.
--193.198.130.27 20:57, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
LOL :D
But you know what's the problem? The border isn't set yet so neither you or I know if Slovenia has access to international waters or not. :) Slovenia believes it has an access to international waters and Croatia believes it does not. BORDERS HAVE NEVER BEEN MADE. So you have no right to say that we do not have access to international waters and that Slovenia takes a portion of Croatian territory. How can you say that, if we even don't know where Croatian territory is?
