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I think "double envelopment" actually refers to a two-ring pincer movement, with the inner pair of pincers intended to stop the captured units' attempts to break out and the outer pair of pincers intended to stop any outside attemts to relieve the capture units.

It may also be worthwhile to illustrate the difference between single and double pincers, and mention that the single is dispreferred since it can rarely move fast enough to surround the target before the target slips out.

-- B.Bryant

yes Vera Cruz 13:07 Dec 15, 2002 (UTC)

Why was this page moved? There are two reasons why this move was wrong. Firstly: maneuver is an American English spelling. The British English spelling of the word is manoeuvre. Secondly: As it is more commonly known as a 'pincer movement' anyway, as a quick check on google will confirm. Mintguy 12:41 Dec 15, 2002 (UTC)

I moved it because the air force engages in pincer maneuvers-not movements-and because pincer movement is a political term in the US that has little to do with this topic Vera Cruz 12:43 Dec 15, 2002 (UTC)

Is this political usage derived from the military usage? Or are we talking about "Pincer Movement" as opposed to "pincer movement"? Mintguy

I live in the USA and have never heard of "pincer movement" as anything other than the military strategem. I'm a wargamer, and I don't believe I've ever heard the term "pincer maneuver" at all. -- B.Bryant

pincer attack gets 9,000

Quick check on Google.

"pincer attack" 1,160.
"pincer movement" 4,590.
"pincer moneuver" 159 !!!!
"pincer manoeuvre" 31.

Mintguy 12:58 Dec 15, 2002 (UTC)

Im using Yahoo. It gives totally different stats. We should try to use something other than a search engine as our argument.

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=Maneuver

for instance here merriam-webster clearly states that military movements are to be known as maneuvers Vera Cruz 13:00 Dec 15, 2002 (UTC)

FWIW, my Websters has it as pincers movement. -- B.Bryant

also note that many of the google listed pincer movement links have nothing to do with the military Vera Cruz 13:02 Dec 15, 2002 (UTC)

in fact, merriam-webster now refers you to maneuver, should you look for a military application of the word movement

Yahoo gives very similar results. Remember to put the quotes in so that it finds the exact phrase.

"pincer attack" 1,110 .
"pincer movement" 4,370.
"pincer maneuver" 136 !!!!
"pincer manoeuvre" 13.

Mintguy 13:06 Dec 15, 2002 (UTC)

Add military and you can eliminate most non-military usages. I still get 1780 for pincer movement on google, plus 203 for pincers movement. -- B.Bryant

What Yahoo/Google finds on "pincer movement"

IN short, "Pincer movement is a political/economic term"

NOte: Pincer Movement To Bust Cybercrime. FIELDS AND FRANCO NEVADA COULD BE WORKING A PINCER MOVEMENT IN AUSTRALIA.

http://www.beyond2000.com/news/Dec_99/story_380.html http://donaldwright.net/maquettes/source/25.html http://www.normanbaker.org.uk/PressReleases/IncineratorPincer-26June2001.doc http://media.guardian.co.uk/columnists/story/0,7550,416995,00.html http://www.wcc-coe.org/wcc/what/jpc/mai.html Apple and Linux In Pincer Movement on PC market?

You can find similar usages for pincer maneuver. The whole argument is irrelevant to the determination of the correct military terminology. -- B.Bryant

If this political usage is derived from the military usage then is should be at the same page. Mintguy 13:12 Dec 15, 2002 (UTC)

The political usage is irrelevant to the current discussion. The question is, what is the correct name of the military strategem? -- B.Bryant

True. However this page should say that the term has come to be used in these non military situations.

Why should we care what the non-military applications of the word are? There are non-military applications of division, flank, army, etc., and we don't change all the military jargon on that account. -- B.Bryant

Ooops -- I was so wrapped up in the what is the right term debate that I missed your point. Yes, the extension to other domains is worth a mention. -- B.Bryant

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