Talk:Pig War

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You need to explain about the Haro strait and the channel division there that was the actual reason for military presence because of a misunderstanding.


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[edit] Question About Kaiser Wilhelm

In the section about Kaiser Wilhelm's decision, no links or background are offered to explain how he came to be involved in the first place, or have the authority to make a binding ruling.

Would someone who knows please expand that section to include such an explanation (ideally with links to further background)?

24.108.13.171 21:41, 25 December 2006 (UTC) Jack


[edit] A European Pig War Before World War I

In the early 1900s, the Hapsburg Austro-Hungarian Empire stopped the trading of livestock (mostly pigs)with the Serbian provinces to try to teach the Serbian nationalists a lesson about formenting revolt. The Serbs actually increased trade with the Germans and others. Some speculated these diplomatic and economic manuevers led to the later assasination of the Archduke in Sarajevo June 28, 1914 and precipatated the Great War.

[edit] Clarification

At the time it was written, the Oregon Treaty's intent was clear: the border would lie on the 49th Parallel along the mainland, then through Rosario Straight (east of the San Juans) before turning west and out to the Pacific through the Straight of Juan de Fuca (between the San Juans and the Olympic Peninsula). This would give the British (later, the Canadians) possession of all of Vancover['s] Island, the Channel Islands, and the San Juans, leaving the Americans with Fidalgo, Whidbey, and Lummi Islands.

Unfortunately for the British, it was subsequently realized that Point Roberts--the southwestern tip of the mainland peninsula immediately north of the border and directly north of present day Friday Harbor--juts approximately a mile below the 49th Parallel. This “moved” the mainland about twelve miles east, hence, the “middle of the channel which separates the continent from Vancouver's Island" was also moved east. This made Haro Straight the “the middle of the channel,” and made the San Juans rightfully American.

[edit] Map

Is there any way someone could get a map of the San Juan Islands and point out the two straits? I would, but I don't have the resources at the moment... -- 209.182.101.246 17:41, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question on outcome

How did the exchange end in favour of the British when the islands were finally referred to the US? -- dmcg026 15:57, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

-We didnt kick their backsides ;) Keeperoftheseal 03:19, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Next question: Why would the Kaiser care about a small island on the west coast of Canada enough to mediate the dispute between the United States and Great Britain? Pat Payne 19:04, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

He was selected as a neutral arbitrator precisely because he wouldn't care. Indefatigable 12:37, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] References

Can someone add references to this article? Rintrah 03:27, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lengthy ref from BC source quoted FYI

I hand-typed the Pig War section in one of "the standard" historical resources for BC, the British Columbia Chronicle: Gold and Colonists into a sandbox page I use for out-of-print or hard-to-get resources/references. It contains a lot of details not already in the article, as well as the British Columbian perspective and behind-the-scenes stuff probably not in US versions of the events. The Akriggs are pointedly POV in tone, often enough, and have a few things to say about Harney and Pickett that aren't too complimentary (though no doubt true), but otherwise the section is a good run-down of the Pig War - and also answers the question above about the German Kaiser: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Skookum1/BC%26PacificNorthwestHistory/Resources#Pig_War.2FSan_Juan_Islands_dispute

Items redlinked are in need of articles; if anyone reading this finds a typo please correct it. I'm going to try and find a better map - I have one, I just need to get it scanned, showing all possible channel options.....including others than the three main ones near the Islands. The deepest channel actually runs through Active Pass, between Galiano and Mayne Islands, and comes down through the "Inner Gulf" south of Saltspring; if the British had insisted on thorough soundings of the region to determine the deepest channel, they would have wound up writing off Saturna, Mayne and North and South Pender Islands as well as the San Juans ;-| Skookum1 21:46, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

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