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The article says, "His lyrics are often stereotypically "industrial" while mocking the genre." I, uh, am not so sure that the more stereotypically industrial metal songs (I'm thinking of a lot of the stuff on Sinsation and Wrecked) are mocking the genre. I've never had that impression - that stuff has always seemed like an earnest effort to tap into that trend, and I've never heard it suggested before. ---Buttcat

Contents 1 Merge PIG article with Raymond Watts article? 2 Acronym? 3 Removal of "On tour" section 4 InfoBox

[edit] Merge PIG article with Raymond Watts article?

The PIG article has much more information than the Raymond Watts stub, and Watts is known almost exclusively as PIG. What do you guys think? --buck 16:01, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Since the Raymond Watts article is such a short stub, it makes sense to merge it with PIG. The only question is whether the article title should be Raymond Watts or PIG; my vote is for PIG. --Gwax 21:33, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Would you merge the Trent Reznor article with the Nine Inch Nails article? Although short, the fact is that Raymond Watts has done much more than just PIG. Alot of people do not even know he is PIG and think of him only as a member of KMFDM. Others want to find PIG. Leaving them seperate would be best for people who are new to industrial music and are looking for bands to check out.

As far as the Trent Reznor/Nine Inch Nails distinction goes, it seems that Trent Reznor deals more with the biography of the person, while Nine Inch Nails deals with that specific musical project. Along the same lines, I think that it'd be nice for the PIG and Raymond Watts articles to remain separate, and for non-PIG information (particularly the Other Collaborations section) to be moved over to Raymond Watts. Also, if possible, the Raymond Watts article should be beefed up with more biographical information. -- Rynne 21:17, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

I have done the merge. Since virtually all the text was in [[PIG]], I merged [[Raymond Watts]] into [[PIG]], in order to preserve the edit history as much as possible. Then I renamed [[PIG]] as [[PIG (band)]] so as to make the former into a redirect to the disambiguation page. Now please someone swap [[PIG (band)]] and [[Raymond Watts]], so that the latter is the real article and the former is a redirect.
Thanks, and all the best, -- Jorge Stolfi 17:07, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Acronym?

Why is this page titled P.I.G.? Is it an acronym? I have never seen it referred to in this way on any of Watts's releases.Iluvchineselit 04:33, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

I was wondering the same thing, but I'm new to being a fan of PIG. --ASL 01:53, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

• Same here. I've added quite a bit to this article (as I am, obviously, a big fan of PIG), but I haven't gone through the process of changing it from "P.I.G." to "PIG" because I'm not sure what all that entails. Is it relatively simple to do? Will it screw up all the links from other articles? Anyone care to step up to the challenge? Or is this the type of thing people vote on? If so, I'm all for the change, since I have yet to see PIG referred to in acronym form in any release. --buck 14:43, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Right now PIG seems to be empty. I'll try to do the move, then I think we can find any article linking to P.I.G. and edit them. --ASL 19:53, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

The move is done, but we still have some clean up work to do. Here is a list of pages that link to P.I.G.. These links will be automaticaly redirected to PIG, but it would sill be best if they were hand edited. Except for the talk: pages, of course. I'm in a rush at the moment, but I should have some more done this evening. --ASL 20:11, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

• Good call. I was always annoyed with the acronym myself. I'll scan around and try to do some cleaning up on the other pages. Sovex 19:01, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Wow, I posted that a long time ago! (as user:iluvchineselit) Thanks for cleaning it up!The-dissonance-reports 06:08, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of "On tour" section

I have removed the following "On tour" section:

PIG's first American tour since 1997 is entitled The All Hamerican PIG Show

and will be occur from June 5th to July 27th (possibly more dates).

PIG tour line-up will be Raymond Watts (Vocals & Guitar),

Guenter Schulz (Guitar), Angel (Drums), Jason Knotek (Guitar),

and Charlie M. (Keyboards & Vocals).

PIG will be playing on the one and only 6/6/06 in Tampa FL @ The Empire.

Image:Pig666showflyer1.jpg

There will be a lot of new merchandise available on this tour.

Tour Dates here...

http://raymondwatts.proboards28.com/index.cgi?board=2006pigtour&action=display&thread=1147138267

and here...

http://collect.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=bandprofile.listAllShows&friendid=41463914&n=PIG

I have done this for several reasons. One, not all the tour dates and nor the complete band line-up have been 100% confirmed. Second, the image of tour poster has no copyright information and thus subject to deletion anyway (and it only provides information on one performance). Third, all of this information is taken from Watts's official site as well as his myspace account, both of which are included in the "external links" section. As much as I like Watts--and I am equally excited about him touring again--promotional content should not be included in Wikipedia. That's not to say we cannot have information about PIG on tour (it is probably good to include some info since it's the first tour after a nine-year hiatus, plus a whole new line-up) but it shouldn't be presented as promotional. Thanks --buck 17:48, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I'll do it, unless anyone has any objections -- mando 08:13, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] InfoBox

I added a photo and logo to the box, as well as adding to Jazz to his genres.