Talk:Pierre Rossier

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Contents 1 "Start" class 2 Company names 3 Images 4 Bibliography niggle 5 Saga=Nabeshima

[edit] "Start" class

If this was "Start" at the time the rating was given, then I think WikiProject Japan should create a "Worse Than Nothing" class and apply it to a huge number of other articles, most certainly including all articles to which I was a major contributor. -- Hoary 08:32, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

:~) Well, it's true the article doesn't contain a key element such as an infobox... Then again, there don't seem to be any infoboxes for photography-related articles... I'm contacting Terry Bennett to see if he'll let me use a few of the Rossier images on his website (he gave me the Beato self-portrait); there are no other Internet sources of Rossier images that I can find. That might just help elevate the article from "Start class" to, say, "B class". Pinkville 01:54, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Ahhh, the article's been reassessed. "B". I hardly know what to say. Pinkville 21:54, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid I'm not sure what you're implying; but I thought about it and decided that this sort of article really doesn't need an infobox. Images would still be very nice, but for length, detail, and notes/references, I think it's perfectly fair that this warrant B-class. The assessment system is really so subjective anyway.... I can't imagine this should be a huge big deal. LordAmeth 22:40, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

It's all somewhat tongue-in-cheak... But the ratings do seem a bit... arbitrary, in addition to subjective. Have you some suggestions as to what should be added to the article to gift it a lift up the scale? I've already mentioned both the rarity of available Rossier images and that I'm, however, attempting to get some. You mention length, detail and notes/references, but I'm not sure how the article is deficient in these categories. :~) Pinkville

B -- way to go! The sky's the limit. I've been looking at Category:A-Class Japan-related articles. Among them, the Ichiro Suzuki article tells us his "Career Hits" and "Statistics in Japan". Pink, don't you have Rossier's career hits or statistics in Japan? -- Hoary 23:28, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Of course Rossier never had a whole season in Japan, so comparing his stats with others might be misleading... Pinkville 02:31, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Company names

Does Negretti and Zambra really need to be italicized? -- Hoary 06:31, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

As the titles of publications, I think it appropriate, if not 100% necessary. LordAmeth 07:12, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Er, yes, but N&Z isn't a publication; it was a company. -- Hoary 08:32, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

It isn't necessary, but I prefer to italicise such eponymous corporate names to differentiate the individual people from the corporation. Negretti and Zambra went to the store vs. Negretti and Zambra produced seven zillion photographs. Pinkville 15:42, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Ah, yes, I see. Good point. All right then: I now would have no objection to anybody's attempt to promote this article from "Start" to "C−" [facial expression]. -- Hoary 12:17, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images

Now there are images. But better versions will be added at a later date (probably by end of November...). Pinkville 02:47, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Well done. (And the pics look OK to me as they are.) -- Hoary 03:44, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. If the images (particularly the stereographs) could be slightly clearer I'd be happier, but I am not displeased by their appearance now.

Dare I dream of climbing up the scale a little further? Pinkville 13:45, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Firmly Affirmative. -- Hoary 14:38, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bibliography niggle

We now see:

• Bennett, Terry. 'The Search for Rossier: Early Photographer of China and Japan', in The PhotoHistorian-Journal of the Historical Group of the Royal Photographic Society, December 2004.
• Bennett, Terry. 'The Search for Rossier: Early Photographer of China and Japan'. Accessed 12 September 2006; cited above as "Bennett".

If, as I'd guess, these two are the same (or the second is a slighly corrected version of the first), then merge into one; if the differences really are noteworthy, then explain this for the second. -- Hoary 04:06, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, you're right. Merging.... Pinkville 11:42, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Saga=Nabeshima

Papinot's Historical and Geographical Dictionary of Japan informs me that from 1590 till the Meiji "restoration", the clan running Saga was the Nabeshima clan. -- Hoary 13:16, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Fabulous. Another loose end tied up. Thanks. Pinkville 13:32, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I love Papinot. LordAmeth 16:25, 12 October 2006 (UTC)