Talk:Pied-noir
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[edit] Edits
I edited the first sentence of the article, who claimed that Pied Noir was the name given to the French colonist. Actually, it's a bit more complicated : More than half the pied-noir population was of other European descent (from Italy, Malta, Spain), mainly in the Oran area. Moreover, the word colonist is a bit POV and unacurate : As explained in the article, most of the Pied Noir were urban. If I agree to use the word colonist in order to speak about the Pied Noir of the Mitjida area and the German of Sout Dakota, I think this word is a bit odd for the Dock worker of bab-el-Oued or the German shoemaker of Little Germany, New York.--83.112.227.28 01:29, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
Funny I was told in France that the term "pied noir" was an ironic way of saying that the European population in N Africa were not "totally white" (whatever that means). Your explanation suggesting a way to distinguish them from the local population by the shoos is politically correct and very funny but completely non sense because pied-noir was a term used in France not in N Africa and everybody in France knows is meant as a racial insult towards the colonial population returning to France. I doubt anybody would have difficulty telling apart a French colonialist from the local population in N Africa.
[edit] Relation to Algerian immigrants
How is the relationship among Pied-noirs and Algerian immigrants in Metropolitan France?
there is good relationship between the pied noir (I am a pied noir descent) and algerian immigrants.When they meet each other they talk about Algeria not the algerian war.
My mother is pied-noir. I wont be as affirmative as the previous people. Some algerians are always blaming France for what happened. However, they don't recognize war crimes of FLN and ask french people to be repentent in the same time. It makes any discussion about the independance war sort of taboo.
[edit] Sephardic
The Sephardic Jews arrived to find a large Jewish community already in place and the two communities combined over time.
[edit] Just wondering - a possible link?
I just noticed that under the Ottoman sultans dhimmis were required to wear black shoes - could this have something to do with the terms origins?
[edit] Color codes on the map
Someone pelase explain what the colors are meant to represent on the map!
[edit] 1962 massacre in Oran
Is the kidnapping of thousands referred to in the second paragraph under "Exodus" the same as this massacre? [1] There are a lot of web pages referring to this, but with the date July 5 instead of July 6-7. Rbraunwa 02:07, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- Never mind, I figured this out (just found the separate article).
- Rbraunwa 12:32, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Forgetting the rest of N Africa?
Pied noir refers to all Europeans (specifically Jews) in the Maghreb (Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco). It is a huge mistake to excluse Tunisian and Algerian pied noirs from this article? Side note - there is a large pied noir population in Los Angeles also - a famous Tunisian pied noir is BCBG's Max Azria.
