Talk:Phonological history of English high back vowels

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[edit] Dew-duke merger

Did the "dew-duke" merger ever occur, or is it simply that the French sound /y/ was nativised as the diphthong /iu/? This is certainly what I understand. One of the sources say there was not [1] (albeit by ommission); the cited one isn't loading on my computer so I can't see what it was. —Felix the Cassowary 13:11, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't know. The website you can't load does imply that vertu and nature had /y/ in Chaucer's English, but that doesn't mean they're right. I don't know what if anything has been published on the question, but I suspect the status of /y/ in early Middle English loanwords from French was similar to the status of /ɹ/ in modern German loanwords from English. Some people use the foreign sound, other people substitute the closest native sound. --Angr (tɔk) 13:21, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Title of this page

Should this page be titled Phonological history of English high back vowels or Phonological history of the English high back vowels to clarify that it's specifically about the English high back vowels? Voortle 23:50, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I guess, but I'm not finding a difference between your two suggested titles. Angr (talk) 05:20, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
I meant to put a "the" in one of the possible titles, which I've just done. This move would also apply to phonological history of the high front vowels and phonological history of the low back vowels. Voortle 12:48, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Foot-goose merger

This is apparantly not a phonemic merger, but an appliance of the Scots vowel system to the English language in such dialects (Macafee 2004: 74). I've done some rewriting to cover that. Voortle 19:53, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed move

Phonological history of the high back vowels to Phonological history of English high back vowels. This article is specifically about the English high back vowels. This move also applies to the articles Phonological history of the high front vowels and Phonological history of the low back vowels. Voortle 23:21, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Lead section

This article really needs a lead section, if only to explain to the clueless what it's all about. I doubt the average reader knows what a "high back vowel" is apart from being some kind of vowel. Hairy Dude 18:06, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Okay I've written a short lead and done some other cleanup, including switch to standard footnote style. I don't know what book "Macafee 2004" refers to though. If anyone else does, please add that info. User:Angr 19:31, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
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