Talk:Philip of Sweden

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Show us any respectable source which uses "Philip Halsten". This monster creature for a name seems to be a product of Wikipedia. Hope no more inexpertised people perpetuate this. Marrtel 12:08, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, it should be Filip Halstensson and his brother Inge Halstensson as his father is Halsten Stenkilsson. And, of course, his uncle should be Inge Stenkilsson. Apart from the WP:OR in the MoS, what justifies using a name unknown in WP:RS ? The MoS is normative but No Original Research and Reliable Sources are prescriptive. In any case, the use of patronyms reduces confusion in the case of Early and High Medieval Scandinavia, and others, where primogeniture is not common. Angus McLellan (Talk) 12:50, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, I am no friend of patronymics in aticle names, except in Russian context. I regard a patronymic similar to a nickname, and to be used only in limited circumstances. Well, he is king "Philip of Sweden", thus no dspute should arise whether that is correct or not. Marrtel 13:42, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Patronymics and epithets are perfectly good ways of disambiguating people, widely used by historians. They are especially common for Medieval Scandinavia, far more so than the arbitrary and inaccurate regnal numbers concocted in the distant past. I can find two or three reliable sources which call the subject Filip Halstensson, The Cambridge History of Scandinavia for example. Apart from the MoS, what backing is there for the article name you have chosen ? Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:57, 2 June 2006 (UTC)