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[edit] "Objects that appear phallic"

I propose this section to be revamped/removed. It appears to be either a joke, or either some highly POV phallus-obsession. Wanka 18:56, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps we ought to find sources for some of them. I'm sure many (especially the more recent ones) have been discussed elsewhere. jdb ❋ (talk) 20:20, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Both Gherkin & Swiss Re are improper names. Might as well use Gherkin Ghosts&empties 02:11, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Guitar and flag? Wow, a testament to some people's stupidity. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.10.214.179 (talk • contribs).

Maybe they meant "flagpole"? But I tend to see Wanka's point; this list seems kind of juvenile. JakeApple 16:10 26 February 2006 (UTC)

The Russian Orthodox Church (House of Worship) should not be used as an example of a phallic symbol! Please correct, and replace with something else, another photo... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3e/Godunov_ostrov.jpg/180px-Godunov_ostrov.jpg

[edit] No mention of Priapus.

I am saddened. Should I add this, or was it left out for a good reason? -Kasreyn 08:25, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Go for it. There already is an article on Priapus but it should be mentioned here and linked and all that good stuff. Go for it. Carptrash

[edit] Female version?

Wouldn't vulval or vulvallic be the feminine word/equillivant for phallus/phallic? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.214.17.26 (talk • contribs) 1 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Vulval or vaginal works, I believe. -Anonymous
  • no there is another term used i cant think of it or find it at the moment though --voodoom 07:03, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Although it is debated, I believe the most-commonly accepted term is 'yonic', from 'yoni' for the female genetalia. If anyone is viewing this and has an opinion, please record it! If no one's got an argument, I think I'll start a page in the next couple of days. EDIT: Although it is unreferenced, further research reveals that Yoni lists 'yonic' as the equivalent. *shrug* PaladinWhite 01:04, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] More contemporary-ness needed

Needs more modern stuff, some psychological dude probably said something about the fact that kids draw them all over other kids' pencilcases at school, I'm sure if you looked hard enough you could find something interesting about modern examples. I don't really care if this article is rubbish or not so I cba to find anything about it/write it in, I just came on it for a laugh so dont expect me to do anything about its current state of poorness. Plebmonk 00:05, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


The Russian Orthodox Church (House of Worship) should not be used as an example of a phallic symbol! Please correct! http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3e/Godunov_ostrov.jpg/180px-Godunov_ostrov.jpg

[edit] Dialogue

This article need more work. It look a friend's dialogue, not an encyclopedic article. Mostly the psychoanalysis issue. Moreover some remarks are childish. Need a idea, a reasoning. Anselmocisneros 21:27, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Original research section removed

Much as I agree withe the section, per wikipedia rules it must go. Please provide quotations of notable researchers who point out of abundance of phallic symbols in architecture. `'mikka 21:37, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

This is sentence 2 or 3 of the article. " Any object that visually resembles a penis or acts as a symbol for it may also be referred to as a phallus". To deny that the structures pictured below are not phallic because an expert has not said so seems ludicrous and absurd. I feel that the Phallic architecture section should be placed back in the article.
Agreed, this should go back in.Erikacornia 23:49, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Carptrash 21:31, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

It is a somewhat overlooked area in architectural history research, but I will see what I can do. Carptrash 23:57, 23 January

2007 (UTC)

However, these folks http://www.cabinetmagazine.org/phallic/nominees.php not only include the Nebraska State Capitol and Ypsilanti Water Tower in the competition, but the Tower actually wins, being named the most . . ..... well, check it out for yourself. Carptrash 00:10, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] In architecture

Nebraska State Capitol

Cemetery monument

Ypsilanti Water Tower

Cemetery marker

The London "Gherkin" aka "Cristal Phallus", "Towering Innuendo"

The phallic shape is often used in architecture and frequently include detail that is almost alarming. For example Bertram Goodhue's Nebraska State Capitol contains at it's tip Lee Lawrie's statue of the Sower or Seed Thrower. Since this is exactly the place where the male "seed" exits the phallus it is difficult to imagine that this relationship was unrecognized to the architect and sculptor.

Other notable examples of blatantly phallic architecture include the Ypsilanti Water Tower and others.

The phallic firm can often be found in cemeteries, particularly from monuments of the Victorian Age.

For the origin of the phallic inuendo (Gherkin) of the Swiss Re building in London see 30 St Mary Axe.

[edit] Putin

I have removed the following sentence. I do not think it is appropriate to include every Internet joke and harassment on a living person Alex Bakharev 05:20, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


When Russian President Vladimir Putin called on women to have more children, journalist Vladimir Rakhmankov wrote a satiric paper calling Putin "the nation's phallic symbol." [1]

  1. ^ Russia: 'Phallic' Case Threatens Internet Freedom, Radio Free Europe June 2, 2006

(minor edit to let reference display on talk page only. Keesiewonder talk 18:35, 11 February 2007 (UTC))

Everyone could see that Alex Bakharev himself has deleted your new insertion of Putin Phallus in "In satire" section. Here is his edit and his comment [1] Current revision (23:16, 22 February 2007) (edit) (undo) Alex Bakharev (Talk | contribs) (→In satire - rm irrelevant). So again, Biophys just confirms he is doing nothing except false accusations campaign against me. He lied that Alex Bakharev endorsed him. Moreover you have inserted the same episode of Putin defamation in the article dedicated to Political Bloggers although Putin Phallus journalist wasn't a blogger. So you just seekin to defame Putin by any means vailable.Vlad fedorov 04:48, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
It was me who moved the Phallus section to the talk page (Talk:Phallus#Putin). Yes, I do think the information is out of place here. It would be quite appropriate in the article Vladimir Rakhmankov. Just imagine a Pig#Pasternak article devoted to much more notable citation by Semichastny. Or a long list of sections in Pederasty and Prostitution articles devoted to all celebrities ever mentioned in Internet with the correspondent epithet. I have heard Putin named Burationo,Klein Zaches (kroshka Tsakhes) or even the Louse that roared but never Phallos.
This discussion is out of place. But I think that in chapter Pig#Soviet_propaganda (not Pig#Pasternak - I am not doing Phallus#Putin) the citation by Semichastny would be completely appropriate as an example of Soviet propaganda.Biophys 05:51, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Since no one keeps Dubyas nicknames in Bush article, there is an adequate policy in Putin's article, which is fair and right. If we would list their nicknames, more than the whole articles would be description of these.Vlad fedorov 05:19, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Section on Ancient India

There appears to be a comment under Anceint India that came from the user 59.144.33.179 stating their opinion on the subect. I would be tempted to revert it back, though I have no idea of the accuracy of any of the comments. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of the subject could divert a little attention to it? Fitz05 23:46, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

  • The Lingam article has already been mercilessly vandalised by someone offended by the association of sexual symbolism with Hinduism, which is the opposite of every art history book I've ever read. I just rewrote the Indian section to reflect a more balanced approach. I wonder how long it will last?Erikacornia 23:48, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A Spare Seven Cents

(used to be two cents)

It strikes me that the section on psychoanalysis does not mention Carl Jung and his popular "Man and His Symbols". His trust in common knowledge did not lead him to shy away from the imaginative association of certain oblong markers with male sexuality, interchangeing Phallus and Lingam in the process, as seemed to be good practice for a long time.
No doubt the efforts of the authors of Lingam are commendable, if only for highlighting the subtle difference between Linga and Lingam (the latter still the sanskrit wording one gathers from the introduction, and presumably the one used in the Kamasutra ?)
The subtility in Phallus is less obvious, for it is hard to understand how the object can be described as mimetic while at the same time illustration and the common view is kept confined to the exagerated Penis, thus banning the imaginative approach.
In the absence of reference to Jung the lapse is understandable. It is Jung's insight in the close association of mimesis (to symbolise, to make believe) and poesis (to fashion, to make, to create) that has made him the champion he is (over Freud) to a vast majority of workers in the fields of art history and creative imageing (poets, storytellers, painters and designers).
Of course there is also my own private view that will always prefer any other illustration over that of a buckle, since I aways associate that with the interests that will try to force me to wear it. Call it biased. (... and bring back phallic architecture into the article)
(Lunarian 11:22, 12 February 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Brazen Firm

In Jean Chevalier, Alain Gheerbrant Dictionnaire des symboles Paris, Robert Lafont 1969/1984 the lemma on Phallus opens with the following:

"Symbol of generating force, source and channel of the semen as an active principle. Many symbols entail a phallic sense, for example the foot, the thumb, the dressed stone, the collumn, the tree, etc. Their representation is not forceably esoteric (see linga, omphalos) nor erotic: they simply signify the generating force, that is venerated under that form in many religions."

The lemma (1984) on tower notes that Danaë received the shower of gold while kept in a brazen tower.

Wiki's lemma on Danaë adds the cave as a place of conception, the reference to female fertility need not be spelled out. The association by students of art history of the symbol with the Renaissance grotto (nymphaeum) on the other hand needs to be brought to the attention of the worthy contributors to the classical project since it is of some importance to the history of architecture.

Note that the esoteric symbolism links to Linga in which case the cited dictionnary is for the greater part in line with the contributors to Wiki's Lingam. The confusion over the distinction between Linga and Lingam (ref Burton's translation of the Kamasutra) is to be regretted.

To name the numerous experts that contributed to the Dictionnaire is beyond the scope of this lines. There seems little doubt that many would with great interest look at the phenomenal symbolism of the Nebraska State Capitol.

(...and will you please bring back phallic architecture into the article...please? no? yes? )

(Lunarian 12:05, 15 February 2007 (UTC))

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