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[edit] Alfred John Shout copyright

Hi Peter, Thanks for tackling the VC migrations. I noticed that the Alfred John Shout article is tagged "Copyright © Harry Willey. 2001." Are you sure this is OK to use? I'm no expert on copyright issues but I generally steer clear of anything that is claimed as being under copyright. I know the article has to be rewritten to merge all the content together (something I am happy to do) but I don't want to waste my time if someone then flags it as a copyright violation. Geoff/Gsl 23:51, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. As I said, I'm no expert on copyright. As far as I know it's OK to contribute copyrighted work as long as the copyright holder has given permission, which I guess we can assume in this case. Some of the other migrations appear to contain verbatim text from newspaper articles which I doubt are OK, copyright-wise. As for the images, all the WWII-era and earlier photos will probably be out of copyright. Likewise I imagine the cigarette card images. And photos of graves, etc. contributed by people should be OK. Scans from recent newspapers are probably not OK. Again I'm no expert. I appreciate the work you've been doing and don't mean to discourage you. If you're not comfortable with the "nuts & bolts", don't worry -- I'm happy to add categories, fix links, etc. when I have the time. Geoff/Gsl 23:47, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright & Nuts & Bolts

Geoff, thanks. I suppose my point about copyright is that the migration process twice requires the migrator to make statements, the truth of which he knoweth not, and, certainly in the case of images, the upload will be unsuccessful if the box is not checked. As the VC Reference migration is a pre-arranged 'Project' copyright questions should have been sorted out between the owners of the respective sites - n'est pas? Anyway, don't let's labour the point.

Secondly, a comment about Wikipedia 'nuts & bolts'. Don't worry, they won't put me off, but so far I have found almost everything out by trial and error. I find searching Wiki help an onerous task, and seem to spend more time in the help pages than in doing the job. Couple of examples: 1. It would be nice if there was somewhere which stated "This is how to make a disambiguation page from scratch". 2. It would also be nice to be able to access a full list of Wikipedia Editing Script. Once again, trial & error have prevailed. But we will soldier on!

Whoops! Cancel point 2 above - just found the answer. Peter W 23:43, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I've modified the Shout article to my satisfaction so I am content and have no intention of labouring the point. It was never my intention to suggest you were at fault so sorry if I gave that impression. If you have any questions, I am happy to answer them as best I can. Geoff/Gsl 05:47, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Image syntax

I was being overly cautious I think -- I am notoriously bad telling how someone is reacting and often when I look back over my comments, I think I could have phrased things better. I also apologise too much, for which I am sorry.

To answer your last question first, you are discussing things in the appropriate place (as far as there is a "right" way of doing anything on Wikipedia). You comment on my talk page and I respond on yours. It tends to make for disjointed conversations if they drag on. For comments regarding a particular article, you use the article's talk page (the "discussion" link) and perhaps notify other users on their user talk page to join the discussion. For VC migration talk, it would probably make sense to discuss it on the WikiProject talk page. Note that if you watch an article, you are notified when changes are made to the talk page as well.

Regarding John George Smyth, I'm not clear on what the effect you are aiming for is? Do you mean it should reproduce the "click for larger image" effect from the victoriacross.net site? In which case the "large" image should be uploaded instead of the small thumbnail image (Image:E1167 smyth jg sm.jpg). With the large image (e1167_smyth_jg_lg.jpg) to get a small thumbnail in the article but the large image when clicked, the syntax is:

[[Image:E1167_smyth_jg_lg.jpg|thumb|Photo of his medal collection at the Imperial War Museum.]]

There are three sections to this; the first (Image:E1167_smyth_jg_lg.jpg) is the name of the image and the last (Photo of his medal...) is the caption. The middle bit contains instructions on how to display the image. You can have more than one instruction, each separated by a '|'. The main ones are justification ("right", "left" or "center"), style ("thumb" for thumbnailed, "frame" for full-size in a frame) and width in pixels (eg., "200px" forces the image, thumbnail or otherwise, to be 200 pixels wide). So for example, a thumbnailed image, 200px wide, centred would use:

[[Image:image.jpg|thumb|200px|center|caption text]]

There is more information at Wikipedia:Extended image syntax. Sorry if I've totally missed the point of the problem with the Smyth page.

Another thing with images is that they should be "tagged" with their copyright status. The complete, confusing list of tags are at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags. The simplest one is "public domain" which you add with {{PD}}. This is safe to use for all the old photos that are migrated (by my understanding, any UK photo published before 1954 is now public domain, similar for Australia). I am not sure what licence should be used for recent photos contributed to victoriacross.net (such as the Smyth medals) -- probably public domain.

You can see the sort of stuff I put on an image page at Image:Alfred John Shout at Quinns Post.jpg. This includes a brief description of the image, source if known and licence tag. With the VC migrated images, it might be worthwhile making our own tag, saying that a). they are public domain and b). acknowledging victoriacross.net as the source, with permission. Something to discuss on the WikiProject page, perhaps.

Some other syntax things which you may already have picked up:

  • to link an image without displaying it, put a colon ':' before the "Image", eg. [[:Image:E1167 smyth jg sm.jpg]]
  • to prevent something from being interpreted as a link, etc. surround it by <nowiki> ... </nowiki> (something you would only ever want to do on a talk page, when discussing syntax...)

I have added the WikiProject Victoria Cross Reference Migration page to my watchlist so if you have any VC related comments, especially ones that aren't just directed at me, we can discuss it there. Geoff/Gsl 21:42, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I've editted the John George Smyth article to use the large image. In ye olde days (last year) it used to be necessary to upload your own thumbnail version of each image, include the thumbnail in the article and provide a "click here for larger image" link, but now the system does the thumbnailing itself so you only need to upload the large image.
Other points:
  • Headings. There don't appear to be strict rules about how/when to use headings (at least I can't find an explicit statement on the subject). The general policy appears to be don't overuse headings so don't have empty headings (which is why I delete the "See also" heading on each VC migration) and, in my opinion, don't have single sentence sections, such as "The medal". I know the migration system follows a format that supplies these headings and it's no big deal. I tend to delete them but it doesn't hurt to leave them around.
  • Categories. All VC recipient articles should be in Category:Victoria Cross recipients or a sub-category. In general they should only be in one category, the lowest sub-category the applies, so J.G. Smyth goes in Category:British World War I Victoria Cross recipients only, and not in Category:Victoria Cross recipients, Category:British Victoria Cross recipients and Category:World War I Victoria Cross recipients as well. (One day it is likely that you will be able to flatten a category to see its contents and its sub-categories contents in one go which avoids the need to include higher categories.) There are exceptions to the one-category rule such as when a recipient is considered to have two nationalities. Also, I started the Category:Battle of Gallipoli Victoria Cross recipients but didn't consider it worthwhile to split by nationality. I imagine the British categories should be split into English, Scottish and Welsh -- I was too lazy when I started and I kind of regret not making the effort now.
Geoff/Gsl 07:03, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] James deletion?

Why did you create James Stokes, then blank the page? It's a good article. -- user:zanimum

Sorry Zanimum - my ISP decided to ditch me at the critical moment - the page is back up now. Peter W 14:30, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
ISPs are a nuisance. Just checking to make sure. BTW, keep up with the good work on the migration project, it's one of our most valuable WikiProjects. -- user:zanimum

[edit] Disambiguation

Hi. You seem to be adding articles without disambiguating English or British. Please disambiguate when adding the articles as these are two of the most common pages that are not properly disambiguated. Thanks. RedWolf 03:19, Nov 26, 2004 (UTC)

Okay, let's take Edward Dwyer:

Edward Dwyer was an English recipient of the Victoria Cross, the highest and most prestigious award for gallantry in the face of the enemy that can be awarded to British and Commonwealth forces.

You are linking English, British and Commonwealth without disambiguating them properly. You should be doing something like:

Edward Dwyer was an [[England|English]] recipient of the Victoria Cross, the highest and most prestigious award for gallantry in the face of the enemy that can be awarded to [[United Kingdom|British]] and [[Commonwealth of Nations|Commonwealth]] forces.

Look at the pages for English, British and Commonwealth and you will see *many* possibilities for each. RedWolf 04:26, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] SCOTLANDS FORgotten VALOUR

This red-linked article is referenced in lots of your VC pages. Is it supposed to have this strange capitalisation?

Whoever you are (why didn't you sign?) - this is the name of the publication. A play on the inscription on each cross - 'For Valour'.

[edit] Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 2000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:
{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:
{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

[edit] Valour Road

Hi. You contributed the picture of the Valour Road plaque. Would you happen to know when the plague was dedicated? Was it at the same time the street was renamed? Isaac R 19:39, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image:E.cenchria.cenchria.1.JPG

Image deletion warning The image Image:E.cenchria.cenchria.1.JPG has been listed at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images. If the image's copyright status cannot be verified, it will be deleted. If you have any information on the source or licensing of this image, please go there to provide the necessary information.

Image:E0069_beattie_sh_sm.jpg Image:E0187_carpenter_afb_lg.jpg Image:E1167_smyth_jg_lg.jpg

--Imaek 07:47, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image:E1305_whitfield_h_sm.jpg

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--Imaek 07:50, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

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