User talk:Peter Konnecke
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Again, welcome.--Cyberjunkie | Talk 06:23, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Beacon Hill, New South Wales, Warringah Road
Beacon Hill, New South Wales, Warringah Road Does every street in your suburb need its own article? --Gaff talk 02:33, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
The main reason for adding street pages to my suburb article is to create community. I am publicly proposing that members of our local community participate in this Wiki project so they can add thier collective knowledge of the history of thier street.
From my experience, every street has it's history, as does every family and I think this project provides the mechanism for them to document that. This ranges from previous property owners to various events. I feel this can be helpful especially in researching family history.
On the other hand, I think your point of view might be that it's important to conserve articles so that they can be managed properly. I agree, conserving space and promoting managability is important, however, the alternative might be to have a whole lot of sub-headings within the main article and make the article very long. This has an effect on the usability of an online document in my opinion.
I welcome your comments and look forward to your reply. Peter Konnecke 02:50, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
- Hi. I think a good strategy might be this: begin with a "main article" that you can already add content to. Let it have sections for various neighborhoods, streets, etc. As those sections get bigger and the article becomes less mangagable, it's pretty easy for large sections to split off into separate articles. It's a nice kind of organic process, that happens all the time in Wikipedia. That might be preferable to creating a lot of empty articles that have to wait around for someone to add content.
- Whether or not you decide to do that, I want to let you know about stub categories. There's a project going on to organize stubs according to their topic, so people can find them more easily. Rather than putting the {{stub}} template on articles, you can use more specific ones, like {{NewSouthWales-geo-stub}}. You can find an organized list of all the various stub types here.
- Welcome to Wikipedia, and thanks for your contributions! GTBacchus 02:56, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
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- Hi Peter. Welcome. I admire your efforts towards building community. I'm not sure how likely the editors here at wikipedia will be at leaving your pages alone. The issue will be playing itself out on the Articles for deletion page for the time being. (By the way, don't take down any of the ugly looking tags that get put up or you might wind up causing more harm than good for your proposal). I thought that maybe blogger would be a good thing for you to consider. There, you could get all the families in your neighborhood set up with their own blog to post photos and stories and all the goings on that are important on a small scale but perhaps not of substantial importance to be in an encyclopedia. Best of luck! --Gaff talk 03:03, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
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I dont think blogs are the way to go on this because of thier "bad name" whereas Wikipedia has a great name and citing it as a resource in research is a much better thing than citing a blog. I'm re-thinking on how I do this now. I'm convinced :-) How do I delete the street pages that I've created. Peter Konnecke 03:16, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
- There's not really anything you need to do to delete them. The appropriate wheels are already in motion - see the discussion here, in which you may want to participate. GTBacchus 04:09, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
I have now voted to delete my own articles, in order to keep the peace. Peter Konnecke 04:36, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
- Peter,
I voted delete for the street names in Beacon Hill as there were of local interest only. However, I think that there is great scope for you to work on developing the Beacon Hill, New South Wales article. An example of a good article on a suburb is the article on Yarralumla, Australian Capital Territory. However, don't get discouraged and keep up the good work. Capitalistroadster 06:54, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
I kept the Beacon Hill, New South Wales article. I hope to breathe more life into it soon. Thank you for your encouragement Capitalistroadster - Peter Konnecke 07:15, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Notability of city features
Re your question on AfD about what level of detail is appropriate for city features -- in my experience (that is, not necessarily by policy, but by what I've seen survive AfD), articles about neighbourhoods are about as tight as it gets unless the street is particulary notable on historical or tourism grounds (Times Square, Rodeo Drive, Sussex Drive). As an example, Preston Street (Ottawa) was heading for deletion but as Little Italy, Ottawa it was easily kept.
I hope you're not put off by the result and want to stick around! — mendel ☎ 04:54, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
Mendel - I'll keep that in mind. Thanks you for explaining this in a more practical sense. I appreciate your comments. Peter Konnecke 05:05, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
- As several of us mentioned, there is no issue with adding street-level details to an existing article for a city/neighborhood, but rarely will a street be notable enough to garner its own article. There is a section at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Precedents (See Remarks on Notability) that addresses this. Mendel's suggestion regarding naming of a district might be a good idea, if all of these streets are in the same area of town -- something like Historic Beacon Hill, New South Wales still might have to suffer through an afd, but it would stand a much better chance of surviving. - Neier 14:09, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Street names
Actually, I think that it would be very cool to have street names for a suburb. Every council should have a town planner that gives the history of the names... my only suggestion would be to create an article List of streets in Strathfield (for instance), something like this:
- Redmyre Street: the name originally came from the original Redmyre Estate that existed before Strathfield was proclaimed (see the birth of Strathfield). The street was named by such and such on such and such date.
What do you think? - Ta bu shi da yu 11:30, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
- That was kinda of the path I was trying to go down but it seems it not supposed to work that way. Still it might be okay to add this as a section is the main document. Peter Konnecke 12:55, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Forgot to add...
... great work! I am so encouraged to see people contributing to suburb articles! Especially someone as diligent as yourself. That's what I love about this project: people are contributing to something great for the good of others! You are to be congratulated on the work that you're doing... - Ta bu shi da yu 11:34, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
- Thanks Ta' - will keep going .... want to get this one down pat and then can look at a few others. I modelled this on the successful Summer Hill article. - Peter Konnecke 12:56, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
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