Talk:Petronas Twin Towers

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[edit] Completion

How did the architect complete the design in 1998 but the Spiderman scaled the tower in 1997? SilentOpen 04:39, 6 May 2004 (UTC)

Probably a typo, probably meant 1988.

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Some photos [1] show contrast between the bright and dark towers. And I heard the tower constructed by Hazama gains favor but the other by Samsung does not. Is it true or just a rumor? --Nanshu 04:25, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

To me at least the first picture in the link looks like the right tower happens to be in the right position/angle to reflect sunlight, while the left one is not... Jpatokal 08:22, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I meant night scenes [2][3][4] --Nanshu 03:23, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

[2] and [4] are both dead links and in [3], they look the same to me. Hmm, could it be that you think the Hazama tower is better than the Samsung tower because Hazama is Japanese and Samsung is Korean? No, of course Nanshu would never think that Japan is better than Korea, so I must be wrong. --Sewing 19:27, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I don't have paranoid thoughts and neither do you, I hope. I just want to verify the rumor.
Also, [2] and [4] aren't dead. They kick out requests from remote sites. --Nanshu 04:00, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Sewing, Nanshu is one of the most conservative Japanese I've ever seen from his articles. His so called NPOVness hides the POVed strategy of emphasizing pro-Japan materials and ommitting con-Japan ones. :)



Removed the following. Please cite:

In the wake of the controversy that its claim generated the rules were overhauled,

What were they overhauled to?

but many still do not accept the claim. Who? Cite or perish --Malbear 09:55, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)


"and are entirely devoted to office space"

Removed as the petroleum club on the podium is not an office.


Removed this section as it should probably go to wikitravel. Additionally, the wikitravel search box seems broken so didn't do an add there. Can someone who has the patience to figure out what's wrong kindly.....

DAY VISITING TIME
TUESDAY TO SUNDAY 9:00 am - 5.00 pm.
Visit to the Skybridge is CLOSED for Friday Prayer from 1:00 pm - 2:30 pm.
MONDAY

CLOSED for maintenance except on a Public Holiday.

School Holiday Period (Half Day Operations) 9:00 am - 12:00 noon
PUBLIC HOLIDAY

OPEN || 9:00 am - 5.00 pm, with the exceptions of :

Eid Al-Fitri (a festival at the end of 'Ramadhan' / fasting month) Closed for 4 days
Eid Al-Adha (a festival at the end of 'Hajj' / annual pilgrimage season) Closed for 1 day

Admission is free. Tickets are limited and issued daily on a "first-come-first-served" basis. Ticket Counter opens at 8:30am and located at : PETRONAS Twin Towers Visit Centre, Tower 2, Concourse Level, PETRONAS Twin Towers, Kuala Lumpur City Centre, 50088 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

  • Cleaned up and spun Suria KLCC stuff out to its own page. Dan100 01:36, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Capitals

Why is it PETRONAS Twin Towers, and not Petronas Twin Towers? Are they yelling out the name?--Jerryseinfeld 15:44, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I was wondering that, but upon checking their coporate website I see that PETRONAS is capitilized throughout. A valid edit, I guess. Dan100 16:33, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)

Nah, lots of companies "insist" in bizarre capitalizations. We certainly are under no obligation to obey them, especially when they are so strange looking. I'm changing these all back to something less loud. Nohat 10:15, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
PETRONAS is an acronym, like e.g. NATO. We don't write it as Nato, do we? It's not just a shorthand, it's a trademark, used in all official PETRONAS documents and publications. I work here, so I know how it's supposed to be spelled. As a side note, you might find that even the Malaysian media writes it as Petronas, but that's only because they're ignorant. In PETRONAS's press releases, it's always written as PETRONAS, not Petronas. You might think PETRONAS looks strange, but to me, Petronas looks strange, and PETRONAS looks proper. --Aidfarh 02:09, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] [Formerly] World's tallest building

The article specifies that the PETRONAS towers were once the worldest tallest building, but there was clear controversy regarding the InfoBox being that of World's Tallest Buildings. I (obviousy from that history record) would say it should be, as the spires were once highest, and it was often reffered to as the world's tallest building. -Sean Hayford O'Leary 15:18, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

It's the right reason, and the same one as to why the Chrysler Building was once the World's Tallest. Architectural spires are a design issue and smoothly integrated into the building. IT's also the height at which the Empire State Building is recorded. The controversy stems from poeple wishing to change the rules to make sure they keep or acquire the record, that they should not otherwise hold. If it was good enough for all the years that the Empire State Building was Tallest, then it should be good enough now. 132.205.45.148

[edit] Skybridge Picture

On a recent trip to Malaysia i took a picture from the 41st floor of the skybridge. The article is looking a little messy from other images, so if someone wants to place it in, please feel free. Image:SkyBridge.JPG. Thanks, --Ali K 12:58, 24 April 2006 (UTC) Nevermind, i managed to find the time to do it myself. --Ali K 12:07, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Page Title

Can someone please tell me what's the logic of using the title Petronas Towers instead of PETRONAS Twin Towers? PETRONAS Twin Towers is the official name of the building, and also used in the addresses of all the occupants of the buildings. --Aidfarh 02:26, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Since the article has been moved back and forth a couple times, you should probably follow the procedure at Wikipedia:Requested moves for requesting a page move. Rhobite 02:52, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC)
I'd oppose a move. Article titles should use the most usual form of the name, and in this case that's lower-case. If even the local media are unaware of the "correct" name, then it's clearly not widely used. Mark1 03:58, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was move to Petronas Twin Towers. —Nightstallion (?) 12:22, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested Move

I support and had requested the move to PETRONAS Twin Towers. In my opinion, articles in encyclopedias should be named according to the official names of something. Check out the official website of the PETRONAS Twin Towers: http://www.petronastwintowers.com.my/. The term "Petronas Twin Towers" is more widely used in the local media though, but not "Petronas Towers". See the following examples:

Safe options in managing waste - The Sun ...Malaysians generated in excess of 7.3 million tonnes of garbage, enough to fill 4 2 Petronas Twin Towers, as one famous example has it.

Use of force against demonstrators: 'Policemen have the right to defend themselves' - New Straits Times ...Opposition politicians gathered near the Petronas Twin Towers to protest against price increases in electricity and fuel.

'Cars' goodies up for grabs - The Star ... PetroSains Speed in Kuala Lumpur's Petronas Twin Towers and experience the science of racing.

What is your opinion, "Support" or "Oppose"?

EDIT: Due to the outcome of the votes, I changed the request to "Petronas Twin Towers". Please vote below. - Knowhow


[edit] VOTES: Requested Move: Petronas Towers → Petronas Twin Towers

This time, "PETRONAS" is not fully capitalized. Share your opinions below.

  • SUPPORT by nominator. Reasons are given above. - Knowhow

[edit] VOTES: Requested Move: Petronas Towers → PETRONAS Twin Towers

  • OPPOSE "PETRONAS" is like a surname where surnames are completely capitalized, whereas in Wikipedia, this does not happen. 132.205.45.148 18:06, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: "PETRONAS" is an acronym (well, more of a combination of parts of two words): Petroliam Nasional [5]. Therefore, it may be acceptable as all caps. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:08, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose No need to follow those marketing people and capitalise the name. I don't oppose against adding the "twin" though. -- H005 22:23, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose Captialization (marketing trick as per H005), ok with twin. ~ trialsanderrors 19:44, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose The capitalization is not needed, but as before, I am fine with the addition of the word "twin". It's just that in popular lingo, far more instances of "Petronas" are seen rather than "PETRONAS", especially in non-Malaysian media. –- kungming·2 | (Talk·Contact) 01:02, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose all caps, Support move to Petronas Twin Towers. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:08, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks) says "Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules even if the trademark owner encourages special treatment". "Official" names have never been a deciding factor for the naming of Wikipedia articles. The core naming principle is "use common names"—see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names)—not "use official names". Note also that Petronas is different from, say, NATO, because in NATO, each letter stands for something (North Atlantic Treaty Organization), but in Petronas, only the P and N are initials, so it doesn't make any sense to capitalize the whole thing. One might make an argument for PetroNas, but no one spells it that way, and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks) explicitly says "don't invent new formats". "Twin" is ok, as "petronas twin towers" gets more Google results than "petronas towers". Nohat 02:19, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

[edit] Evacuation on 12 Sep 2001

The bomb hoax on 12 Sep 2001 is real enough, I remember this from a Discovery/NatGeo documentary on the prospects of tall buildings after 9/11. The towers were built so that one tower would serve as the backup for the other, and the response to the hoax showed that the buildings cannot be evacuated on time simultaneously. The revised escape plans call for using elevators if both buildings need to be evac'ed. Jpatokal 07:02, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Leaning tower of Petronas

I heard in a documentary that one of the towers (not sure which one) was built leaning about a thumb's width from being vertical. When they discovered this at about 2/3rd's the way through the building process of whichever tower, they decided to simply build the rest vertically. Can anyone confirm this and find any citations?--H.M.S Me 19:09, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Appearances in media

I might be wrong, but I'm fairly certain these towers appear in an episode of the anime "Cowboy Bebop", in which a maniacal bomber with a teddy bear theme attempted to blow up two towers which looked highly similar to these, complete with the connecting bridge.

I suspect those were DILLIGAF Twin Towers. Jpatokal 08:28, 1 December 2006 (UTC)