Talk:Petra (band)

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[edit] older entries

There's an NPOV flag, but no accompanying discussion, so I'm clearing the flag.

What????? I wanted to say how I thought it was sad that NO-ONE had put any articles about the albums.

I've been working with this article for awhile, so let's see if I can work with those later. Thief12 01:48, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I've finished working with the whole discography and I threw in an additional page for the Beyond Belief mini-movie to boot. Thief12 00:48, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Good job! I did a few too.24.64.223.203 01:10, 10 July 2006 (UTC)HappyBoy

In regard to the grammar, we need to avoid opinion words. No doubt (no pun, intended) Petra was a great band but the article should contain facts only. Also, the text refers to Petra sometimes as "they" and sometimes as "it." It should be one or the other, not both. I'd love to see this become a featured article. Wordbuilder 20:26, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I'll vote for "it." Petra is a band, a singular entity. If a sentence talks about the band members, then "they" is appropriate. Kirkman 23:25, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Tribute Album

Not sure where it would fit but I came to this article to look for info about a tribute album. I believe it was called "Never say Dinosaur" or something like that and from memory it had a picture of a brown Tyranasarus type dinosaur on it surrounded by artist who were playing the Petra songs on the CD. That's about all I can recall, it would be good is someone added info to the article. - Waza 06:54, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I've heard that album (pretty good, BTW) I was thinking about adding something somewhere. Perhaps an additional section with that and other tributes to the band. I'll see how to work it out. Thief12 18:53, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: "New Millennium"

Just a few things... When I have more time I might rewrite these myself:

The paragraph that says "In 2001 the band was signed to Inpop Records. Trying to pick up somewhere, guitarist and founder Hartman decided to re-join the band" is a bit misleading As the article states higher up, Hartman had retired from touring, but continued to play guitar, write, and produce for every album. So Hartman didn't "rejoin" the band. What happened is that Inpop decided to add Hartman back to the marketing, even though he wouldn't be joining the tour as guitarist. Quinton Gibson was the touring guitarist. So Hartman's picture appeared on the album and Inpop talked about the "core" of Petra being him, Schlitt, and Louie. But the truth is that very little was different from before. It was just a marketing gimmick.

"long-time drummer Louie Weaver was fired amidst lots of rumours and controversy. However, the band dissipated all rumours and geared up for their next album." This is also a bit misleading. The band did NOT dissipate all rumors. In fact, they refused to address rumors regarding the reason behind Louie's firing. I think this graf should be rewritten to reflect that initially the band's statement made it sound like Louie and the band had parted amicably. But Louie came out later and said explicity that he was fired by Schlitt and manager Wayne Seboa. Hartman responded to that (in an interview with me) saying that it was Schlitt alone who made the decision, in consultation with his pastor and with Hartman.

Yeah, I think it's all about semantics. I believe I can rewrite those paragraph or let you work it out. Whatever you feel like. Thief12 21:16, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
I rewrote those two paragraphs. Check it out. Anyway, I don't know if we should reserve the details about Weaver's firing to his bio article and just mention it here. Thief12 21:37, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
I did a pretty significant rewrite of the section. It's longer than it was before, but I think all the details are pretty good. Let me know. Kirkman 06:14, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

About the 2004 J&H tour, it's probably worth mentioning some of the highlights, like the reunion concert in Angola and Petra's first trip to India where they had huge crowds (i read estimates of around 20,000, IRC) Kirkman 17:47, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I tried to start something about the concert in Angola, Indiana in those last paragraphs, but I know it's too little. Perhaps we can work it out from there. I also put something about it on the articles about some of the band members involved in the concert (Hartman, Hough, DeGroff, Glover, Simmons, Bailey, etc.) About the trips to India, I think you have more info about that than I do. Thanks for your help, Josh. Thief12 21:16, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


Ok, I just checked the "Trivia" section and I had put there an item about the concert in Angola. However, as I just said, perhaps that can be worked out into the article perse. Thief12 21:23, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Final concert

We should probably end the "Farewell" section with a reference to Petra's final concert. I know there was some dispute about it because, if I remember right, the "final" concert of the official tour was to be New Year's Eve/Day, but another concert was booked to take place the day after, which was not technically part of the Farewell Tour (so the promoter of the earlier concert could promote it as "the final" concert). Anyway, if someone can pin those dates down and work it up, we should add that. Kirkman 17:55, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] InfoBox

How does everyone like the infobox i made? I got the genres from Petra's myspace. If anyone has any questions or comments just let me know on here. I'm also known as ggj7205 to Josh Renaud, if he wants to say hi to me.--24.64.223.203 22:48, 23 July 2006 (UTC)HappyBoy

Hey man, it's me, Josh. I like the box. One question... in similar boxes for other bands, do they list only the final members of the band? Kirkman 03:04, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, Josh, usually they say "Current members" and "past members" but since Petra had so many members, everyone figured to put them all in a section below the page. I tried to put all past members in the infobox one time, but it didn't turn out well. But I guess all members now are past members eh? Haha.24.64.223.203 22:20, 24 July 2006 (UTC)HappyBoy

[edit] Featured Article Candidate

For anyone interested, I nominated this article to be a "Featured Article", but it needs the support from Wikipedians. If you want to vote for it, go here, read the procedure, and support the nomination. Thanks. Thief12 01:58, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I read some of the comments the others made on the nomination. There were some good points but I disagree with the one who said fan sites are not good sources. Some fan sites (including mine) have done in-depth, on-the-record interviews with key band members. I don't know how you can have a better source than Bob Hartman himself or John Schlitt. Kirkman 18:09, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm trying to add more citations. There are lots of good newspaper articles at johnschlitt.net and elswhere. BTW - the Echoes newspaper citation I added today is incomplete, but I'm hoping to get the rest of the details later this evening. Kirkman 18:20, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, Josh. I just finished polishing some paragraphs and other stuff here and there. I really appreciate your help. Thief12 19:31, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Petra and backmasking

Let's talk about backmasing. Petra has an obvious backwards message before "Judas Kiss." However there is also backmasking within the song "Witch Hunt." It is clearly audible if you play the song in reverse... It's a series of clips from the Wizard of Oz just like the ones you hear when the song plays forwards. The subject matter of the song makes it an obvious place for the band to include such backmasking.

I bring this up because somebody tried to add a note about Petra's backmasking without including a reference to Witch Hunt. Then someone over-rode my edit which included such a reference. If we're going to mention backmasking, we should note BOTH of Petra's uses of it. Kirkman 01:56, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Josh, I went back to listen to "Witch Hunt" to confirm your observations and couldn't catch it. I heard lots of samples from "Oz" but no backmasking. Can you provide me with a timestamp on that particular track where the backmasking begins so I can hear for myself? In the meantime, I plan to relisten to it with headphones on max.  ;-) BTW, you make some good arguments regarding the subject matter of the song and its relation to the backmasking you say is there. Anyhoo, please don't revert to your old edit, as I added some stuff about the "Judas' Kiss" backmasking that should stay. Just edit my edit. --Mike Beidler 14:23, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Okay, if you are playing the song backwards, listen from 2:10. During the next 10-15 seconds, you'll hear three crystal-clear messages. In order: "We'll look everywhere till we find that old witch"; "How about a little fire scarecrow?"; and "Hey everybody, we're gonna have us a witch hunt!" Kirkman 19:53, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Another thought on this. Rather than treat this as a point of trivia, maybe we should mold this part of the article into a paragraph or two on Petra's response to the backmasking controversy raised by various outspoken preachers. We could frame it like this: The preachers were accusing various rock bands of satanic backwards messages, which led to many Christians playing records backwards, seeking to uncover more. Petra's response was to record the words "What are you looking for the devil for, when you oughta be looking for the Lord?" backwards at the beginning of "Judas Kiss." They later wrote a song, "Witch Hunt," with lyrics lampooning these pointless crusades. "Witch Hunt" contained several backwards messages within it. Kirkman 20:02, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I re-wrote Mike's most recent version of this section. Personally, I think this section would make more sense as part of the main article. It seems like much more than trivia to me. I think it would work very well as part of a section about Petra's trouble with anti-rock preachers and tele-evangelists. Kirkman 04:27, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I noticed Perfect World has backmasking.--HappyBoy 22:46, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Huh, I didn't know that. Can you give some details on the time in the song where the backmasking occurs? 207.119.221.4 17:35, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
In the intro to the song, and at some point just after the first chorus. There's probably another time somewhere. Anyway, play it backwards, you get some sort of guitar riff.--HappyBoy 23:40, 17 November 2006 (UTC)HappyBoy

[edit] II guys from petra

I believe II guys from petra should probably have its own wikipedia page, and mention of the project in the petra article kept brief. What do you all think? Kirkman 04:11, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I'll look into it in a week or two. Dan, the CowMan 02:52, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Possible GA candidate

I think it would be a good idea if someone that has the time could nominate this for Good Article Status. It already underwent FA nomination twice, so should be able to get the GA nod. I do not contribute to this article regularly and would be a poor choice for making the requested edits for the GA review, but perhaps one of the main contributors could. Good luck. - cgilbert(talk|contribs) 15:03, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree, unless someon out there has big plans for overhauling this article, it's time to try for Good Article status. Someone responsible for the content of the article should nominate it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Spottacus (talk • contribs) 05:21, 1 April 2007 (UTC).
I agree that it's almost there, but personally I am still not yet satisfied (with my own recent expansion). Dan, the CowMan 05:25, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
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