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[edit] Live 8

Did he really make a fool of himself in the studio during Live 8? I didn't see that bit and I can't find a source. Tim Ivorson 4 July 2005 15:57 (UTC)

I have added the NPOV dispute tag to this article until an agreement can be reached on his performance at live8. Saying that he was "ranting", "ignoring the cause of the event" and so on is blatant POV. I would correct the POV problem myself, but I think that a general consensus would be better. --Sanguinus 00:21, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

I'd just remove the section... for two reasons: 1. Wikipedia is not about reviewing a particular performance of a comedian. The addition is blatant bias. 2. Even it was a review: Kay's performance while being interviewed at Live8 wasn't brilliant, but I didn't recognise it from the description here... it was no worse than many others. Motor 22:33, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
I've edited this so it is more neutral (or at least less anti Peter Kay and added some more info. Brimstone July 16 2005 *(UTC)
I removed most of the section... not only is it pure opinion, in many parts it is deliberate misinformation. Motor 20:26, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
There's some superlatives in there that are unnecessary, but the way Peter is going at the moment he's going to get a Criticisms subheading soon! :D --PopUpPirate 03:18, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
The thing about him being drunk is unlikely as Kay is teetotal (despide advertising John Smiths)--Crestville 12:12, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
I've removed the NPOV dispute tag as I think we've gotten rid of most of the POV material. --Sanguinus 12:01, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
I didn't see his live 8 appearence myself, but from what I've been told by a friend who did see it, pretty much none of what was previously said in the article was true. I wish I'd seen it myself, but based on secondary information, I'm led to believe the original section on live 8 may well have been factually incorrect, as well as POV. Maybe somebody could correct me here? I'm genuinly interested in what Peter Kay did at live 8 now. Anybody see his performance? What actually happened? Aaarrrggh 21:29, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
I saw him. He did have a bit of a clash with the 'voiceover' and was ushered off for a few minutes (though it's likely that this was due more to the 'voiceover man' wanting to say something than Kay's behaviour). Other than that, he did relatively well, although he was far from stunning. --Sanguinus 21:35, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
Ah right. Thanks for clearing that up :-) Aaarrrggh 12:10, 30 July 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Grammatical Errors Fixed

Fixed some grammatical errors that were in some titles and links. Singerisbored 18:19, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Salford University

Peter Kay studied at Salford University I'm not sure when or what but surely it should be on. This is the link to prove it- http://www.salford.ac.uk/about/famous/

[edit] Gay

What's up with the whole 'Peter Gay' thing?

It's not even remotely funny.

is he?

What Peter Gay thing? He's married and has a child, no he's not gay. TR_Wolf

[edit] Recent Additions by user:Spum

Spum - lots of new information here, which I hope I've managed to keep. I've just restyled and re-ordered some of it, and taken out the odd bit if POV language (I'm not a fan of turns of phrase like "skyrocketed" in encyclopedia articles). --Rayray 14:05, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Does this paragraph make any sense?

I'm having big trouble understanding the following paragraph. I would edit it if I had any idea what was being said! Should it be deleted?

"Despite the fact that Peter portrays most of the characters in all series of his productions using himself in costume or make up, the other members of the cast have expressed the jovial idea that Peter does it simply for the paycheck, although this is something which Peter has always denied - claiming he had the characters storyboarded from the very beginning of the Pilot."82.133.109.202 23:41, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

How about:
Kay often portrays the characters in his series himself, using an array of costumes and makeup. The other members of the cast have joked that Kay only does this for the paycheque, as he will be payed for each character he plays. However, Kay denies these accusations claiming that he has had the look of the characters storyboarded from the very beginning of the Pilot episode.
or something to that effect?--Crestville 01:12, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

That's much better - nice one! However, I have doubts about the use of the word 'storyboarded' - it means something else - maybe 'conceived' would be better. Also - Do you reckon 'paycheque' is a bit of an Americanism in a British English article, even with its amended spelling?

How about:

Kay often portrays the characters in his series himself, using an array of costumes and makeup. The other members of the cast have joked that Kay only does this in order to command higher payment for his performance, being paid for each character he plays. However, Kay denies these accusations, claiming that he has had the 'look' of the characters conceived from the very beginning of the pilot episode.

84.12.180.23 07:55, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, thats great, stick that in there. I can't spell for fuck anyway.--Crestville 11:05, 15 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Criticism

'Peter Kay's official website is no more than a shop, which, whilst enhancing his bank balance yet further, does little to bring him closer to his fans.' - I removed this section, seems like POV to me. I didn't really think it has a place on here. liam_fee 21:50 27/3/2006 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Liam fee (talk • contribs) 21:51, March 27, 2006 (UTC)

There was an interview with Dave Spikey in a UK Sunday Newspaper late last Summer (so, completely accurate then). He said that Kay hates Daniel Kitson because Kitson thought the Ant and Dec characters in Phoenix Nights 2 were racist. Spikey also said that this is why Kitson is slated on the DVD commentary, and why, alledgedly, Kitson's face has been digitally speckled out on some repeats of his episodes. Spikey also says that he had had some disagreements with Kay and that was why he, and his fellow Phoenix Nights writer Neil Fitzmaurice declined to take part in the DVD commentary.

[edit] What was "In the Club"?

Having been through this article for copy editing, there is one aspect that isn't clear. When it says, '[They] settled on "In the Club"', this is the first reference to the title, and I'm presuming that it was an episode of That Peter Kay Thing that was developed into Phoenix Nights. Is this correct? If so, I will go back and change the paragraph to clarify this. Chris 42 14:33, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Peter's football allegiance

Is Peter really a Manchester United fan? I seem to remember hearing from somewhere that he supported Manchester City. And yet if he doesn't support Bolton Wanderers why is he often seen on TV in the team shirt, as were several of the people in the Amarillo video? Jess Cully 17:47, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I've now done some research online and found that Peter doesn't actually follow football - see here: [1] I've revised the page accordingly. Jess Cully 11:17, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Is he related to Vernon Kay?

Just a thought, seeing as they're both called Kay and come from Bolton --80.194.5.154 10:50, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't think so.--Crestville 12:05, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
No, he's not. Two people can share a name and not be related. I'm sure Tony Blair and Lionel Blair arent brothers ;) TR_Wolf
You never see them together. Makes you think... Notreallydavid 23:35, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

No. Coincidentally they are both Catholics and of very similar age, but did not attend school together since they lived in different parts of Bolton. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.99.38.221 (talk • contribs).

Given that this user 81.99.38.221 has been inserting the name "Pradeep" in various articles, I wouldn't trust anything written by him - I don't believe they both came from Bolton, either. Stephenb (Talk) 08:52, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I think they do--Crestville 12:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
My mistake (I was thinking Norfolk, as I was busy reverting vandalism suggesting they came from there!) :-) Stephenb (Talk) 13:12, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Ha ha, no you're right there. They are NOT from Norfolk--Crestville 13:18, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alledged Theft

"Manchester based comedians Dominic Woodward and Mike Wilkinson have both had material stolen by Peter Kay." Is therea source for this? It seems highly POV. I will delete untill a source is found. Help plz 23:00, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

User:Embassy has changed my removal to "some have accused" this is much better in terms of NPOV, thanks for that, however I would still like a source, I'm not saying it is true, I'm not saying it isn't, but a source for the accusations would be nice! Thanks!

You'd need a strong source before you even mention such a sladerous allegation--Crestville 19:08, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Another Complaint

"Kay now refuses to sign autographs in public." These seems pretty knew, any idea on a source? It's probably true as most celebs won't do it, but I like to dot 'i's and cross my 't's... Thanks. Help plz 19:48, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

-At the "Phoenix Club" / St Gregs Farnworth, when filming Road To Nowhere, one of my friends was an extra, and was stood in the foyer. PK barged past, "No autographs" - no-one had even asked for one. --PopUpPirate 17:19, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Could have been a joke. You need stronger evidence than that to claim he no-longer signs autographs.--Crestville 18:24, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Did it on me too, barged past saying "Dont do 'em, sorry". TR_Wolf

[edit] No Merge

Peter Kay is not jerry stclaire


If a merge is going to take place then at the very least jerrys page should be merged into the pheonix nights page. Peter Kays site is to be related to him a person not a character. Thats why there are seperate shows,

tie this to both pheonix nights and the actor that played him.

I agree--Crestville 16:04, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Future Plans

Hi, When writing about future plans, you must remember that he is a comedian, and that future plans are subject to change. Even if he mentions it it might not come around to be done. - Jrgnet Talk 09:09, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alan Driscoll

Hi have heard that Peter Kay has done some work under the pseudonum Alan Driscoll, any truth in this?


Don't think so, that guy has a site at http://www.alandriscoll.co.uk and he doesn't look like Peter Kay.

[edit] Original Research

The criticism section appears to be entirely made up of original research and people's personal opinions. Lines such as "This impression was possibly instrumental to his being voted the most overrated comedian in a poll held on the comedy website Chortle" are conjecture, not fact. I've put the words "Peter Kay" and "Criticism" in a web browser. Three matching results came up. One was this page, one was Answers.com linking to this page and one was TV.com plagiarising this page. If there's no documented evidence anyone has said anything bad about this person, why is there a criticism section filled with complaints on a website that deals only with verifiable information? Wouldn't displaying such libellous information on a website constitute an illegal act? So would I perhaps have anyone's support for the entire section be deleted? ~~ Peteb16 00:07, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree, that section fails to meet the standards of living biography project in many regards Sedgwick8043 08:36, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the section now, as per the rules specified in WP:BLP. ~~ Peteb16 21:37, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, the criticism section seems to contain a large amount of very negative things about Peter... most of which appear to be unfounded with nothing to back them up. Hence I've added the tag. If these cannot be referenced within about a week I think we should delete all the ones currently labelled "citation needed". Anyone disagree? Paulfp 15:29, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
As no-one has added references or objected to deletion, I have now deleted the Critisism section, for the reason that it contained lots of accusations and statements with nothing to back them up Paulfp 17:11, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Good Man--Crestville 12:50, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I think it unfair to remove this section! Why shouldnt there be a controversy/criticism section? These are just as much information as the rest of the article. I know several of them are true, including the autograph thing, and *definately* the M&S thing, because I work at the store which asked him! TR_Wolf

I don't understand you removing the criticism section. Because you don't agree with sources doesn't mean you have the right to take it off. Kay has a lot of faults and everyone can see them, to take it down seems childish and makes you look too much of a huge fan to me. Put it back up, this is supposed to be a bio, not a worship page. Wilko_DCFC

[edit] Phoenix Nights - Spikey/Fitzmaurice dispute

As referred to on the main page, it's well-known that there was a dispute between Kay and Spikey & Fitzmaurice over how much credit he was taking after Phoenix Nights 2, but the article claims this was after a BAFTA win for the series. Phoenix Nights was only ever nominated for a BAFTA, but never won one.

I can't be 100% certain, but it's reasonable to assume the dispute happened either after the RTS Awards in March 2002, where Phoenix Nights 2 won best comedy, or possibly the British Comedy Awards 2002 in December 2002, where Phoenix Nights not only won the Peoples' Choice Award, but the best writer (singular) award for Peter Kay. The series 2 DVD (noticeably lacking contributions from Spikey and Fitzmaurice) came out afterwards, in October 2003, and neither of them appeared in Max & Paddy. Don't have any footage from either award event, so I'm not sure exactly what happened when the awards were given and what was (or wasn't) said, especially as Kay wasn't present in person at the Comedy Awards. 81.153.38.132 14:47, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

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