Talk:Petar Pop-Arsov

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Read this. Nationality can't be bought with money, not to mention with serbisation or macedonisation. Bomac 22:02, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Tell that to Misirkov who applied for stipends in the Serbian, Russian and Bulgarian government, and switched nationality every time he got rejected.   /FunkyFly.talk_  22:04, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I cannot tell him that. I guess you know why. Misirkov told what he had to say - On Macedonian Problems.

Yes, his biography tells another story.   /FunkyFly.talk_  22:11, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Bomac, Greek leftists want Greece to drop the naming issue and let the whole world recognize you as "Macedonia" - does that (the fact that they disagree with Greek state policy) stop them being Greek? --Tēlex 22:05, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

The documents about BMARC, including the statute, are in the Central Government Archive in Sofia, btw.   /FunkyFly.talk_  22:10, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Let me repeat what is in the article: "The best proof of the aims and tasks of the Young Macedonian Literary Society was provided during the following year when its members became either founders of or active participants in "The Committee for Obtaining the Political Rights Given to Macedonia by the Congress of Berlin" from which, as Petar Pop Arsov says, there later developed the so-called VMRO. " Where is BMARC here? I already mention that we don't even know when, or where the organization was formed - Solun, Shtip or Resen, and FunkyFly is using the BMARC argument to proclaim this person a Bulgarian even though there isn't single reference of him stating he is Bulgarian. And as for planning stage, Telex, I guess Pulevski was not aware of it, nor Gologanov. --Cigor 22:32, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

The reference is that he himself drafted and signed the statute of an organization exclusively for Bulgarians. Again, fighting for policital authonomy of Macedonia is irrelevant here.   /FunkyFly.talk_  22:35, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Where is the reference that he himself signed this?--Cigor 22:37, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Read the book of Tatarchev.   /FunkyFly.talk_  22:37, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Look FF, if you have anything to add value to this article by providing exact references please do. Otherwise, stop vandalising.--Cigor 22:39, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Vandalizing? Speak for yourself. Here: Христо Татарчев, Вътрешната македоно-одринска революционна организация като митологична и реална същност, София 1995.   /FunkyFly.talk_  22:40, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Stop dodging. Provide Tatarchev quote mentioning Pop Arsov doing something what you are claiming.--Cigor 22:43, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Signing may be a metaphor. To join the closest thing you could get to a Greek equivalent - the Filiki Eteria - you had to swear an oath. --Tēlex 22:45, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Following that logic, Todor Aleksandrov is Macedonian, after all he signed Majski manifest. FF know what am I talking about. --Cigor 22:47, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

There goes Telex with one of his mindless reverts. Telex what do you know about Petar Pop Arsov? Have you even heard of him before FF asking you to help him? --Cigor 22:45, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

The whole thing is a big conspiracy aimed at the negation of the Macedonian nation, financed by the Bulgarian government.   /FunkyFly.talk_  23:05, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Don't know about that, but you are going to tell me that Telex come out of nowhere with a strong opinion about Pop-Arsov. Pathetic. --Cigor 23:12, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

And here's another man with a "strong opinion" about the issue. ;-) Better said they automatically revert when they see "Macedonian". ;-) Bomac 23:32, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Clarification needed

Bomac erased the phrase, "which was initially called the Bulgarian Macedonian-Adrianople Revolutionary Committees;". QUESTION. My impression is that there existed such an organisation, or something named like it. Is this so and was it related to Pop Arsov? Thank you. Politis 14:49, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Politis, there's an interesting conversation at Nikola Karev about this... --FlavrSavr 02:08, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stambolovism

Here are the parts in which Pop Arsov speaks of the Bulgarian propaganda in Macedonia and of the Macedonian ethnicity: (from mkWiki): Stambolovism in Macedonia and its representatives. --Bomac 11:37, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

The funny part is here is a man who spend his whole political life fiercly opposed to Bulgarian propaganda, who was Macedonian - in all meaning, political, ethnic, and yet he is tagged as Bulgarian revol. where Macedonian is deleted. Yes, there is Macedonian#In_demography but what does it means? Obviously he is not Greek nor Albanian. --Cigor 13:27, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

And how do we know about his Macedonian ethnicity? And why would he think of the "B" in BMARC?   /FunkyFly.talk_  17:27, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I will let you to explain what he thought about "B" in BMARC since you mention finding references about him (Tatarcev, etc). As for references by him, he does not mention any BMARC. --Cigor 17:43, 12 July 2006 (UTC)