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Suggestion

Any thoughts on something about HomesWest in the social structure section? I don't know enough to do it justice.SeanMack 16:40, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

As a government department / authority I dont see any direct relevance to the Article on Perth. It does however have relevance to individual burbs and their developement. Also homewest / state housing as it was has now been taking into the deparment of plannig and infrastructure and is responsible for all government housing not just low income assistance. Gnangarra 16:57, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
My reasoning mentioning Homeswest was that there is nothing on poverty in Perth in this article. Considering there is a "Social structure" section - it only talks about rich and middle income earners. Nor is there anything about the indigenous tribes from the area (eg Noongar) and what their circumstances are in modern day Perth which is booming with mining wealth. Big oversight IMO. SeanMack 15:26, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
I understand what you are now saying on homeswest I agree, I got a busy few days ahead but I'll try to get to their web site and see whats around. Gnangarra
Maybe all Government departments could get their own shared page on say a Government Service Western Australia Gnangarra
also the local indigenous tribes have been over look within the article but they do have a wiki article so just need to give a short paragraph and link Gnangarra 10:02, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
This Area now has fairly extreme NPOV on Southern/Northern/Western/Eastern Suburbs. I will remove it if nothing is discussed.

Barracks Street Jetty

I understand this was the main transport hub for perth for the first 50 years of the colony due primarliy to inhospital sandy soils, most transposrt was on the river. The area around the jetty was where the afghan camel trains were loaded and unloaded there cargo then went onto boats for the trip to fremantle. The afghans were responsible for the planting of the Date palms along the foreshore. Gnangarra 14:41, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Ohmigawd, I find it very hard to believe the last sentence, check old photos very very carefully the current shore line does not relate to earlier shore lines i think someone has had you on that one! As for hub, once again if youre looking at first 50 years, I would have thought the guildford landing was far more important  :) Camel trains issue requires others to comment, but I'd be very careful on that one, unless you have the sources/photos/proof!!!!SatuSuro 14:07, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Checking with my history guru, barrack street jetty would NOT have been in its currentplace in the first 50 years of Perth's existence for a start, river shore line was much further north, as for camel trains (so _very_ unlikely_prior to 1890's, maybe 1880s if you can find proof!!!) date palms on a piece of foreshore that didnt even exist is very problematic. Go speak to the staff at State Records office for early maps of Perth, and you'll see what I mean!!!!!SatuSuro 14:42, 7 February 2006 (UTC)


horse shoe bridge

This is an interesting piece of engineering the bridge was originally required to enable the camel train to pass over the train line without affecting the trains. The problem they had was there wasn't sufficient approaches on either side to enable a conventional bridge. The horse design enable the short crossing, but because of the length of the camel trains it was required to be extremely wide to enable them to be turned at the top.

Thats all i know at the moment can some help to expand into a better section Gnangarra 14:40, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

how stupid

I agree that a search on Perth alone should show all centres with the name PERTH whether they are 200 years old or whether they have a population of 2,000,000 or 2.

But what I cant fathom is when time is spent correcting links from the disambiguation page to the article that is object of the link people are going back and removing the disambiguation. Gnangarra 14:33, 7 February 2006 (UTC)


References needed

This should help:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite.php

I've changed one external inline link to a reference using this method. SeanMack 16:41, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Regional Gays In The Community

===Regional Gays In The Community=== Perth's many regional ethnic groups are often conglomerated into [[ethnic communities]] or ethnic enclaves. Within Perth, of course, the most famous are the two distinct [[Italian]] communities: the first epicentre is in [[Fremantle, Western Australia]], extending south to [[White Gum Valley]], [[South Fremantle]], Spearwood as far south as [[Rockingham]] (in form of market gardens), and the second beginning just north of the [[Central Business District]] in suburbs such as North Perth, Tuart Hill, Balcatta and Dianella. In addition to Italian migrants and numerous Australian-Italians, there are peoples of the aforementioned ethnic origin. These immigrants have brought with them the many and varied customs of their home land, and added to Perth's cosmopolitan atmosphere. To fully appreciate this contribution, visitors should visit the Fremantle Markets, South Terrace on Fremantle (Perth's premier cafe strip), and the many cafes in [[South Fremantle]]. Other more recent ethnic communities include Indians, Sri. Lankans in the eastern suburbs of Thornlie and Gosnells, Vietnamese and South-east Asians in the Inner northern and Northeastern suburbs (in such LGAs as Bayswater, Stirling and Swan), Indonesians, Malaysians, Singaporeans and other Asian peoples in the newer suburbs of the LGAs of [[Canning]], [[Melville]], [[Gosnells]] and the Central Business District. Immigrants from the [[United Kingdom]], and a lesser extent Continental Europe, often settle in the Outer Suburban areas such as [[Joondalup]], [[Armadale]] and [[Rockingham]]. Immigrants from English speaking countries - most notably [[New Zealand]] and [[South Africa]], tend share the same settlement patterns as English immigrants. On the whole, however, Perth's ethnic communities have not bee stigmatised by the area in which they live, a trend emerging in other state capitals, most notably, [[Sydney]]. For the most part, Perth's diverse population lives in harmony.

The section above I removed from the article. The reason is that it dosent have any relevance to the article Gnangarra 05:34, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Can you please elaborate further as to why ethnic demographics of a city are not relevant to an article about the city? I agree that it's a bit wordy and possibly a bit too POV, but I don't see how it is completely irrelevant. - Mark 07:25, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

The sections doesnt have complete distributions offers no sources and finishes by impling that Sydney and other capitals are ethnic based populations also unsourced. Ethnic distribution should be comprehensive comply with NPOV.

  1. The section isnt referrenced no source ie ABS
  2. The section implies that there are specific ethnic ghettos in Perth.
  3. It has a knownly offensive title. If its about Ethnic Demographics why isnt the title that
  4. It's inaccurate the area around fremantle isnt an exclusively Italian ethnicity as implied.
  5. It geographically inaccurate - thornlie, gosnells are South eastern. Stirling Is north, Bayswater and Swan are east.
  6. It isnt NPOV

This section has none of the above, the POV was written as imflamatory. Was drawing baseless conclussions to denegrate other cities. Gnangarra 09:02, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. I, too, was a bit puzzled by the title (considering gay people aren't even mentioned in the text). I might do some ABS research when I get some free time and try to replace the section with NPOV and verifiable statistics. There are definitely some concentrations of different religious and ethnic groups in different areas, though, and they would be worth mentioning if there are statistics to support them. As far as I know, the area around Dianella has a large proportion of Jewish residents, whereas Kalamunda (near where I live) has a large English population, and Lesmurdie has a high Italian population. - Mark 05:11, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
Can you explain why its even relevant, every person is free to chose where they live my reason maynot be the same as my neighbours yet we both could have similar ethnic back grounds Gnangarra 05:48, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
It's an encyclopedia article: if there is a concentration of a social group in a particular area, it is intimately relevant both to the question of demographics and the history of the city. Stating the geographic distribution of particular social or ethnic groups does not disparage them for their choice of home, it merely highlights regularities or anomalies in the otherwise uniform distribution of ethnicities across the city. Here are some examples of such demographics sections from other city articles:
"Some ethnic groups are associated with the suburbs where they first settled: the Italians with Leichhardt, Greeks with Rockdale and Hurstville, Lebanese with Lakemba and Bankstown, Koreans with Campsie, Russians with Bondi, Chinese with Ultimo (where Sydney's Chinatown has emerged), Vietnamese with Cabramatta and Assyrians with Fairfield. Redfern has a high concentration of indigenous Australians." - from Sydney
(Map showing concentration of people of Asian origin in San Francisco): "Note the large Asian population in the Sunset District, Richmond District, and in Chinatown." ... "Gay men outnumber lesbians, who are more concentrated in the suburban East Bay." - from San Francisco
"Singapore has several ethnic neighbourhoods, including Little India and Chinatown, which were formed under the Raffles Plan to segregate the new immigrants into ethnic ghettoes." - from Singapore
(Map showing distributions of London's ethnic minorities across that city): "The city's largest ethnic minorities."
"The North-Eastern Suburbs (such as Golden Grove and Salisbury) and suburbs close to the CBD had a higher ratio of overseas born residents." - from Adelaide
Clearly, other people consider that the geographic ethnic distributions of cities are relevant to articles on those cities as well. - Mark 05:28, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Guys - I'm from Perth and lived in heaps of other cities. Trust me on this point - Perth is very much heterogeneous. Face it: it is a large, spacious expanse of urbanisation hugging the Indian Ocean, with a demographic profile that is more English than England. There are no ghettos as intense as you might find in Sydney, London or Vice City.

infamous capuccino strip?

Found this in section 8.8 (Freo).

'... one cannot visit Fremantle without going to the Fremantle Markets, before having one of the many varieties of coffee on the city's infamous Capuccino Strip - South Terrace'

What exactly is infamous about the capuccino strip? Is that sentence there because of the nightclubs on the weekend nights (which do get pretty hairy sometimes, especially at the taxi rank), or what? Because I can't think of anything else infamous about the strip (in fact, even for the crezze clubbers, infamous is probably the wrong word).

Bird of paradox 18:09, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Geography / Water

Quote:

Water supply
In recent years, climate change has resulted in reduced rainfall in the region, reducing inflow into dams by two thirds over the last 30 years

Does someone have a source for this? Generally (no I don't have a source for my generalisation ;) ) reductions in inflow in Australia are attributable to changes in land use, soil degredation, deforestation, etc. This statement presumes climate change is a proven, indisputable fact, without provision of a source showing that the climate has changed.

For all I know the reduction in inflows to Perth, WA dams is due to the increase in water extraction from the Great Artesian Basin. (yeah, it doesn't even go all the way to Perth. Whatever!) Garrie 23:45, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

I have read(the west) that the reason for the reduction was an increase in trees in the catchment area that by thining the problem wll be resolved Gnangarra 04:16, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

If I recall correctly, that figure is one supplied by the Water Corporation. - Mark 03:11, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

The reference to the "the sandplain that lies adjacent to the Darling Scarp known as the Bassendean Sand Dune Ecosystem" is incorrect. The Bassendean system is merely one element of the Swan Coastal Plain, along with others (see here: http://www.wrc.wa.gov.au/srt/publications/landscape/resource/geomorph.html). Being new to this whole wikipedia editing thing, I thought I'd mention it here before changing the article myself... any objections? --SDavies 19:36, 3 July 2006 (UTC) (Done!)

Whether or not climate change is the cause of Perth's reduced rainfall is not really relevant. What is important is that rainfall is reduced - the reference to climate change seems a bit unnecessary. I'm going to rewrite that line.

Missing Information

I think the article needs a section on the economics of the city. Any takers? This is a good reference for starters: http://www.perth.wa.gov.au/html/pub_pdffiles/CapitalPerth.pdf Cheers SeanMack 06:35, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

fully agree, last sentence in History section is more of economic than historical value. -- Goldie (tell me) 21:21, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

This is where Perth shines. I think the tables that are produced by Treasury and Finance are beaut, especially now that in terms of Wages and stuff WA is doing so well compared to other Australan states. But that's the rub, none of these figures and stats can be directly attributed to only "Perth" per se. and all this stuff is probably copyrighted anyway. Maybe an external link to http://www.dtf.wa.gov.au/cms/tre_content.asp?id=495 instead? petedavo@iinet.net.au 09:52, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

History

Going through the subsection "Naming and founding" most of it seems to be related to Western Australia in general and not to Perth in particular. I can understand Foundation Day is relevant as Perth and Fremantle are parts of the first settlement but Federation referendum is largely irrelevant. Same applies to british concerns and settlement of Albany - Stirling's voyage is important, Albany is not relevant beyond being the foremost colony in WA and Perth/Fremantle being the second.

So I personally think the irrelevant information should be moved to WA article (as there is no History section at all), and what is left to be merged in a monolitic History section without a subsection. -- Goldie (tell me) 21:19, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

And while we're on the subject, the eventual history section in this article should mention the "city of lights" story, the hijacked tank incident and the bombing of the French embassy. Snottygobble 01:38, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
It was an APC, not a tank. What about the WA Inc. years then there's also Noongar history, dreamtime, Yagan, and mascre in the valley 1830(victms buried at all saints church, henley brook). Gnangarra 02:28, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
I think WA Inc. should be considered part of the history of Western Australia rather than the history of Perth. Noongar history would of course contain aspects relevant to Perth, including the life of Yagan. Snottygobble 02:34, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

I think a Perth history section should also include comment on the reclamation of Mounts Bay, the hosting of the America's Cup (though maybe that should be in the Fremantle article?) and the Commonwealth Games. It should probably refer to the 70s and 80s when many of the historical buildings of the city got knocked down and replaced by skyscrapers. - Mark 03:17, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

In fact, there's probably enough material for an entire article on the superb buildings lost in Perth! Have a look at the photos of St Georges Terrace in the 40's and you get a bit of an idea - Gobeirne 06:56, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Also catalina's flying out of Crawley, and langley park as an airfield prior to sth guildford. maybe the robbery from tax office during early 70's as well. Gnangarra 15:44, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Population density

It appears the population density figure was not updated when the population figure changed. I am updating it now to 274.4/km² based on the 2001 census definition of the Perth Statistical District being 5386 km² (see cover sheet) and the new population figure. Please make sure these figures don't fall out of synch again.

Opening statement - too informal?

The last line of the opening statement currently reads as follows:

"The city is well known for its wonderful beaches, nice views, great weather and the atmosphere along with the friendly people."

For some reason, it doesn't read too well for me. Too informal, maybe? Too opinionated? Kinda tacky? I'd like to hear some other people's thoughts.

Bonga 17:54, 07 May 2006 (AWST)

I Agree with you. It is very much so too tacky. I Would consider changing it.

Here is something i come up with for an opening statement:

Perth is the state capital city of Western Australia, located in the lower south western portion of the Australian continent, well-known for it's charismatic suburbs, people and lifestyles, it's skyline is modern and represents the economic supremacy generated by the states large ore and mineral deposits.

Trentwpb 15:35, 09 May 2006 (AWST)

define Most popular sport

As raised on the Western Australia talk page Talk:Western Australia Aussie Rules has the most paying spectators but other sports have higher memberships and participants than footy I adjusted the article to show it as the a popular spectator sport. Gnangarra 12:27, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Discussion of merger proposal

History of Perth

It seems that User:Auroranorth and myself created separate articles History of Perth and History of Perth, Western Australia at about the same time (just a few days ago). There is no doubt these above pages should be merged. As to merging with Perth, Western Australia, I would suggest no merge as there is a huge amount of material that could go into a separate History of Perth article, and it would also be consistent with the convention used by other Australian Capital cities (which have their own history pages). Gazjo 01:27, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Yep. Per Gazjo. Snottygobble 01:47, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

History of Perth

On the Perth, Western Australia talk page, apparently History of Perth, Western Australia is on the To-do List. As for the merge between History of Perth and History of Perth, Western Australia, I think that there may be confusion between Perth, Scotland and Perth, Western Australia. Maybe a redirect or a disambiguation page is needed? I agree with User talk:Snottygobble about the merge with Perth, Western Australia. There is a huge amount of history on Perth and a separate article is warranted. Auroranorth 09:47, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Both History of Perth pages should be merged under History of Perth, Western Australia. There is sufficient information for a stand alone article. What should happen is that the History section on the Perth, Western Australia article should be summarised and a link to main artcile History of Perth, Western Australia be added. Gnangarra 12:35, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I oppose the merge of History of Perth into main Perth, Western Australia article Gnangarra 13:13, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Perth histroy is too diverse to merge with Perth. Perth is now a very modern city with a very modern skyline, the history should not be forgotten or merged into a condenced form. --Aus911 05:21, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Just to clarify and expand on my comments above, I oppose merging the History of Perth, Western Australia/History of Perth article into this article on the following grounds:

Significance/potential size of this article
There is a lot to say about Perth; any serious attempt to get this article up to featured article status would inevitably involve rolling the history section out into a separate article
Significance/potential size of the history article
There is lots to say about the history of Perth. Stannage's The People of Perth is merely a social history, and it is 350ish pages long
Precedent
History of Melbourne, History of Sydney, History of Brisbane, History of Canberra, History of Hobart, History of Adelaide, History of Darwin.

Snottygobble 12:41, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

  • OK, so there is agreement not to merge History of Perth/Western Australia with Perth, Western Australia. Now there needs to be discussion on what the History of Perth page should be called. I don't mind which title. I think a redirect is OK for now. A disambiguation page can be added if we get any complaints from the Scottish :) I have no idea how to merge articles (do all historical edits from both pages get preserved?) Gazjo 13:22, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
reading the two Articles History of Perth has a lot more detail and includes everything in the article History of Perth, Western Australia. Suggest we have the article History of Perth, Western Australia deleted and use and expand the other article if a dab is required later then we can do it then. Gnangarra 13:34, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I've been bold and done it. Article is History of Perth, Western Australia rather than History of Perth (which is now a redirect), as it then ties in with Perth, Western Australia. It would be bad faith towards our Scottish cousins to do otherwise (esp. after previous argument). -- I@n ≡ talk 14:10, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

BTW, Melbourne has a History of Melbourne as well as a very nice Foundation of Melbourne (the latter by Adam Carr). -- I@n ≡ talk 14:18, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Images

Here's what Perth will look like in a few years time according to an artists competition held in 1929. I didn't have a place to put this and just wanted to share it with you all. :) -- I@n ≡ talk 06:02, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

interestingly there is a bridge at the narrows that was still almost 30 years away Gnangarra

I have just added the photo Perth CBD from air in the Governance section - not really sure if this is the right section but I thought this gives a good perspective of the CDB's scale compared with the suburbs. --Chewy m 16:31, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Perth In Lit/Pop Culture?

Should there be a section of references to Perth in literature or modern culture? I think there would be many people interest to know that in The Sandman, when Lucifer retires, he moves to scarborough – and I'm sure there would be many other fun and interesting mention of Perth. Hegar 06:36, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I like the idea, but is the Sandman comic really referring to Perth's Scarborough? There are several other places called Scarborough around the world... Bonga 05:41, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

It definitely is Perth WA. He concedes that god does a nice sunset. I think this talk page is the best place for that literary nugget. Ben Elton and DH lawrence are other lit. leads. Fred.e 12:11, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Recent decimation of article

Are editors happy with the edits made 11/06 by Cyberjunkie, removing parts wholesale from the article? Personally, I would agree that certain sentences needed to go. However, I do think too much was culled. Any thoughts anyone? SeanMack 14:13, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree that too much was culled without discussion, this is not to say that it wasn't necessary. The article has GA status but given such a dramatic edit it should be delisted and renominated. I Suggest that the culling be restored and that each section be discussed then rewritten or deleted say work on two sections at time over a one week period. Gnangarra 14:44, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
I have taken the bold step of reverting the recent changes back to the last version where I added a reference. I was expecting some words from Cyberjunkie but he's on a wikibreak so hopefully he will contribute when he returns. I do agree that edits he made alluded to the fact that certain areas need cleanup. But a bit more discussion is needed to see where we can inprove and what bits really just have to go. Cheers. SeanMack 11:47, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
How on earth did this article attain GA status? If it did so legitimately, it shows that that process is a farce (and I'm usually supportive of it). As I stated in my summary, my changes were brutal. Usually, I would precipitate such edits with an explanation. This article has long been the most deficient of the capital cities, and it was, in my eyes, getting to the state that some eastern state cities had got to before intervention. Hence, my intent was to put it back on track by excising the bad elements - that's editing. Everything I removed had no place in a quality article. The toughest call came with the social structure section; there were some admittedly pertinent facts in there, largely to do with population, but it contained strong elements of original research. In retrospect, a better course of action would have been to integrate appropriate information with the new demographics section (renamed from ethnicity). For an idea of what form this article should take, look to Canberra and Ann Arbor. The general structure should be as follows:
  • History
  • Geography
    • Climate
  • Governance
  • Economy
  • Demographics
  • Culture (with other sub-headings as necessary)
    • Media
    • Sport
  • Infrastructure
    • Health
    • Transport
    • Utilities
  • References
  • External Links
If anything, I hope my changes have sparked genuine interest in bringing this article up to scratch. I am about to re-instate my edits, with some information retained.--cj | talk 16:39, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Actually, on review, nothing in social structure was essential information for a summary article, and some of the sources were less than reliable.--cj | talk 16:56, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Cyberjunkie, I don't understand how you can say you are supportive of GA and also say that this article proves it is a farce? You just insult the editors here and the GA project with a statement like that. Otherwise you are saying there was something underhand involved, which is an insult to me. I nominated it but can assure you I did not promote it. I have come across worse FAs... I nominated it after adding all the references that were on the page and someone at some later date promoted it. At the time I was on a run to bring up the profile of major cities and countries. These are mandatory for WP1.0 and the coverage has helped already. I believe strongly in the verifiability requirements of Wikipedia which is why I researched a fair bit to support many of the things that certainly needed work and references. It makes me wonder is there any point if someone comes along later and blanks complete sections that have been referenced and reasonably stable for some time, without discussion of how improvements could be made or where any relevant information could be moved. To throw out the social section in it's entirety rather than reword and place in Demographics "some references are unreliable" comes across to me as lazy editing. I agree the heading should have been Demographics and going for consistency of coverage as other city FAs makes sense. To take one specific point it has been well published that Perth has had a massive inward UK population relocation in recent years and to remove information relating to this is detrimental to the article. To ignore this is to ignore a minor cultural phenomenon. I was hoping that Perth would in due course have a Demographics section a bit more like that on the Sydney page than what was there for Perth, which is why I went and found the relevant sections of the ABS site and included it. I hoped that it made it easy for the next editor to get some summary stats for the article. There was always the possibility that the information could be reworded and expanded. There are also regional variations within the Perth Metro area with an area like Kwinana for example having a lot of industry. I also feel this coverage is relevant to the Perth article. Granted it was weak and needed improvement, but to just remove it means it is even less likely there will be informed, well written information available on these aspects of the city. For comparison I refer to the Urban structure section for Sydney. Just my 2 cents... SeanMack 18:51, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
I do not mean to insult anyone or to suggest anything underhanded, so please don't take offence. I am supportive of the concept of recognising articles of standards near, but not quite, FAs. Many editors are not, and indeed call WP:GA all sorts of things. My point was that if the article as it stood was considered GA-standard, then I would have to agree that the process is a farce altogether.--cj | talk 11:10, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
The 'tourism' information that was deleted could possibly be summarised in a paragraph or two under the Culture heading but before the Sports subheading. The other capital cities appear to have done similarly. After all a Perth article with no mention of Kings Park would seem to be incomplete. Gazjo 05:21, 17 June 2006 (UTC)


starting point

This article needs to decide what direction it is taking, is it about

  1. Perth - the Metropolitan area, and capital of WA
  2. Perth - Suburb and city centre.
  3. Both

I think it should be the first option Gnangarra 11:57, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I was always under the understanding that it was the first one. SeanMack 12:30, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
I think Cyberjunkie edits was to bring the article back to that focus. Gnangarra 12:40, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
This article should be about the metropolitan area; the standard (though not full implemented for WA and QLD) is to have separate articles for local government areas.--cj | talk 16:39, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
The article seems to attract enthusiastic POV when it carries certain headings (see below) I do think that some compromise needs to be made where the section headings do not attract this sort of POV attractant, so whichever way the article goes, it really needs to exclude items that can be more suitable reviewed in other arts - such as LGA's, or other parts of the Perth project. Just my delayed 2 bobs worth :) SatuSuro 12:31, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Lifestyle

Whatever happens, this section should be removed, it seems to attract POV like flies to ... SatuSuro 12:24, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Agree. SeanMack 17:08, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Agree also. I'll move it out. BTW, I was just reading the Adelaide article which is very well done - but we're getting there! -- I@n 01:50, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


cut section

Perth is a relatively small city in comparison with Sydney and Melbourne, the capitals of New South Wales and Victoria respectively, but it is still the fourth largest city in Australia. The Central Business District is the financial centre of Perth, and while a hive of activity during the work week, is relatively quiet and deserted during weekends. Despite Perth's CBD being quite small Perth has many large suburbs which have shopping centres, supermarkets, cinemas, takeaways and many other amenities.

I removed this paragraph from the article as it's has nothing to do with the City skyline section it was in. If there is better place please return it to the article there but it will need cites and a reword as well. Gnangarra 10:45, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

There has been a concerted effort over the past 3-5 years to bring residential property into the the CBD area from East perth through to Barrack's Arch, might be worth a mention that this has changed from the original CBD population of < 1000. E.g The old RAC building on Adelaide Tce is being converted to residential next year, and is just one of many formal business sites becoming apartment / condo style accomodation. --Aus911 05:18, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Skyline photos

I think that this recently-added photo-

Image:Perth City Skyline.JPG

- is of subpar quality. It should either be re-taken at a different time of day/night, when the light is more aesthetically appealing, or it should simply be removed, given that there are multiple other (much better) photos of the skyline already.

Does anyone else agree?

Bonga 22:28, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Remove it. The article has too many pictures already. It's clogging up the page with all these similar pictures of the city. Orichalcon 15:12, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

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