Talk:Persian carpet
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[edit] Rug or carpet?
"Rug" sounds very odd in this context. Doesn't everyone use "carpet"? Isn't a "rug" like a schmata for the floor? Something you roll up and truck about, like a prayer rug. Perhaps "carpet" in middle-class American usage now only denotes a fitted broadloom. --Wetman 21:34, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Carpet and rug are used pretty much interchangably by scholars - see carpet article for distinctions claimed by some. -astragal
The dividing line is considered the two metre mark in the longest side of the piece. Therefore, a six foot by four foot (6x4) piece would be considered a rug, whereas an eight foot by five foot piece (8x5) is considered a carpet. - --latifrugs
[edit] Is this really how persian rugs are made?
"Years ago Amy Carmichael wrote about the incredible process that produces these masterpieces. Try to picture this. There are two sets of workmen sitting on a bench on one side of the carpet which is hanging from a beam up above. The designer stands on the other side; he's holding a pattern in his hand and he directs the workers by calling across to them exactly what they're to do next. It's like a chant actually. And then the workman chants back to the designer the word that he's heard, verifying that order. Then the workman cuts from whatever bobbin has been ordered and he pushes that thread through the carpet warp and he knots it. All he can see is that thread. He sees nothing of the pattern until the carpet is finished."
no. first, carpets don't "hang from a beam" - the warp (vertical) threads are arranged on the loom from top to bottom before weaving is begun. second, ome carpets are woven from a cartoon or design. the range of detail is huge. some of have the pattern worked out to the stitch on graph paper, others are a more general summary of the design. smaller carpets woven outside in more domestic settings are often produced from memory with no cartoon. the corners are a good indication of whether a cartoon was used: a graceful, diagonal, corner solution cannot be acheived without a pattern to follow. in any case, there is no designer on hand: the cartoon is either suspended behind the warp threads (taped to the wall for the example), or a section of the design is tucked into the warp threads so as to be readily visible to the weavers. third, weavers work on the front side of a carpet and can see the design develop as the work progresses. oh, but weavers do often in work in pairs (or more). -Astragal
In fact, a mix is used, depending on the region. The technique described at top - calling out patterns - is used, though mainly in Kashmir. It may not sound too exotic, but neither is weaving off a piece of graph paper (or cartoon) in which the weaver has had no artistic input.
[edit] All the nonfuntioning links
I'm not particularly interested in helping, but someone should try to put accurate links on that list where it's 98% red (nonfuntional) links.
How Wikipedian of you. Of course the reason the links for the classifications of Persian carpets don't work is because no one has written articles on them yet. They are at this point only "potential information." But I'm sure you knew that - you just decided to state the obvious, and make no effort to be part of the solution despite your handle. Thanks!! Astragal 16:31, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Merger of categories
There are two categories relating to rugs: 1. Category:Rugs which is a sub-category of Category:Textile arts which is a sub category of the Categories: Artistic techniques | Art media | Textiles | Crafts | Arts and crafts and 2. Category:Rugs and carpets which is a sub-category of Category:Textiles
I propose to merge Category:Rugs into Category:Rugs and carpets. Please see discussion at Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Rugs_to_Category:Rugs_and_carpets --A Y Arktos 21:37, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] My link
Hi everyone,
I have a web site about Handmade Persian Rugs and there I have two documentary movies which were produced by us (Sobhe Trading Co.) I thought it might be an interesting thing to be added to the Persian Rug page of wikipedia.org. The movies can be find at www.rugidea.com/movies I tried adding it to this page acouple of times but each time, for some reason, it was found as an advertisement for my web site. Please let me know if there is a proper way of adding an external link to wikipedia.org. You may also contact me if you have any questions. ashkan@drsobhe.com
Many thanks,
Ashkan
- Wikipedia doesn't generally support external links to commercial websites - see Wikipedia:External links and Wikipedia:spam for more advice. -- Solipsist 12:50, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Damascus Rug
Should Damascus Rug from Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Hot/D/Dab-Dar redirect here?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus talk 19:03, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Daddeh family rugs
In the history section there is a sentence-
- A number of rugs believed to have been woven by the famous Daddeh family were recently discovered and then auctioned in Agra, India, fetching some of the highest prices ever observed in the rug market.
I moved it from the end of the paragraph that talks about the age of the rug making art since their was no obvious connection. It's still not clear to me why this is here. I presume these are important rugs. It would be great to have a bit more information in the article on why they're important and what the significance of the find is. --Siobhan Hansa 13:40, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
- Agreed. This paragraph was added recently - it seems likely to be true, but it would help to have a reference and some more background. (Still better than many of the edits we get here). -- Solipsist 14:36, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Propsosal for external link
Would like to propose external link to article about Persian rugs. It is located at the following url: http://www.oldandsold.com/articles02/article1030.shtml Smithville 00:30, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- I've just responded to a similar post from you on another article I'm interested in - and the response is the same. These articles are really not very good. This one in particular seems like a POV, essay on how to buy a rug. In fairly poor English (which isn't the worst thing in the world, but it doesn't help). The adding of the link doesn't seem to serve our readers well. --Siobhan Hansa 04:37, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Types of carpets
It seems to me that the whole category of tribal rugs is missing from this section. I'm just learning about Persian rugs, but have found the distinctions made at oldcarpet.com useful. Is there any reason not to arrange this section along similar lines? --Philbarker 18:51, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Deletion of the Persian Carpet is Contested
[edit] Persian Carpets (not Rug)
Persian carpets is the correct term which has been in use for centuries. Encyclopaedia Iranica also recognises the "Persian Carpet" as the scholarly and correct term than "Rug". Persian rug is a subdivision of Persian Carpets. Google search provides:
- 354,000 entries for Persian Rug (which mainly are commercial websites)
- 428,000 entries for Persian Carpet (almost half scholarly and research websites)
- 190.000 entries for Persian Carpets (most of them scholarly and research websites)
I believe People promote to keep "Persian Rug page" have commercial interests, rather educational. ← ← Parthian Shot (Talk) 05:45, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
- PS. The previous article "Persian rug", was POVs, and poorly written with no academic citations to support the entries. ← ← Parthian Shot (Talk) 11:50, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, I agree that this page should not be permanently deleted. I tagged it for history-merge, not permanent deletion (its location can be determined by WP:BRD or by talk-page consensus among people who know about the subject (I don't know much). See your talk page for more information. --ais523 12:02, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] External Link (Spam)
Dear Contributors: Please refrain yourself from adding commercial links to the article. Many of the commercial sites are not literate or educated enough to provide accurate info, which subsequently would undermines the integrity of this article. In addition, it is against Wikipedia policy WP:LINKS. ← ← Parthian Shot (Talk) 06:57, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
