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[edit] Let's settle the Neutrality Dispute
This talk page has grown quite long and it is hard to sort through and figure out what arguments have been settled and which remain. Currently there is a neutrality dispute tag on the article. Anyone claiming that this article is not neutral please add a short line about the specific section or fact that you are disputing the neutrality of. Please no lengthy arguments at this point just a bulleted list of items that you think are non-neutral. Also Please don't be vague by putting things like the "tone is too pro-Isreali" or "the sources are not balanced"... specific examples please. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Iampayam (talk • contribs) 07:35, 1 December 2006.
- I agree, we need examples on why this article is still POV. If none are provided, I'll be removing the tag eventually. Khoikhoi 21:22, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Contradiction
On the one hand, "Jews in Iran are not allowed to communicate with Jewish groups outside of Iran unless the group is opposed to the existence of Israel" (no citation).
On the other hand, "the Iranian government has allowed the Jewish Iranians to visit their family members in Israel" and "Limited cultural contacts are also allowed".
Could this be clarified, please? Perhaps it's as simple as adding "with certain exceptions" to the first assertion. —Ashley Y 10:29, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
- I don't see a contradiction - there is a difference between a "contact with Jewish GROUPS" and a "contact with FAMILY MEMBERS".
Bruno --82.32.35.3 21:50, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Jews in Iranian media
There is written:"The anti‑Israel policies of the Iranian government, along with a perception among radical Muslims that all Jewish citizens support the State of Israel, create a hostile atmosphere for the Jewish community. In 2004, many Iranian newspapers noted the one-hundredth anniversary of the publishing of the anti-Semitic forgery The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.[30] Jews often are the target of degrading caricatures in the Iranian press.[citation needed] Jewish leaders reportedly are reluctant to draw attention to official mistreatment of their community due to fear of government reprisal.[30]" I think there should be differences between propaganda against Israel and Zionism in Iran media and representation of Jews. Although the first one make bad sense against Jews in some people but can we call it antisemitism? Iranian media try not to mention Jews or Jewish state and use Zionists and Zionist state.--Sa.vakilian 08:18, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Jewish Muslims
There is written:"some voluntarily, some by force, some due to social pressure, and some in hopes of improving prospects for themselves and their families.[citation needed] Such Jews, or Jewish Muslims, have existed in the region for centuries. Many marry only those like themselves, many have assimilated, many are secular, and many are practicing Muslims who keep (sometimes unknowingly) certain Jewish traditions. Few have fully returned to their Jewish roots, and such 'hidden' Jews in the Iranian diaspora have largely assimilated."
It's too general and not appropriate for encyclopedia. Jews convert to Islam some by x and some by y which includes almost all probability. It should be substitute with more specific phrase. --Sa.vakilian 08:34, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
- I removed this part after 10 days. Please help me with writing more specific statement. ; some voluntarily, some by force, some due to social pressure, and some in hopes of improving prospects for themselves and their families.[citation needed] Such Jews, or Jewish Muslims, have existed in the region for centuries. Many marry only those like themselves, many have assimilated, many are secular, and many are practicing Muslims who keep (sometimes unknowingly) certain Jewish traditions. Few have fully returned to their Jewish roots, and such 'hidden' Jews in the Iranian diaspora have largely assimilated.[citation needed]
--Sa.vakilian 04:00, 3 March 2007 (UTC)