Category talk:People with absolute pitch

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[edit] The Simpsons?

Should The Simpsons be listed here? I doubt it. Is there some phenomena concerning the perfect tone of Lisa's voice? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Footfun (talk • contribs) 18:14, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

It was supposed to be Mr. Largo. I deleted it because Mr. Largo not having his own page makes him hard to link here properly (as you noticed, it came up as The Simpsons). - Rainwarrior 18:33, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

I believe that would be Nancy Cartwright herself, not Lisa Simpson lol —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.173.10.182 (talk • contribs) 03:15, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Michelle Branch

Not to be mean-spirited, but if you've ever heard her live, you know immediately that she does NOT have absolute pitch. It would probably be a good reflection of reality to remove the link to her article from this list.

I would point out that absolute pitch does not automatically make one a good singer. I don't think this is really evidence that she doesn't have it. - Rainwarrior 18:11, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Maybe not, but you can't sing "with perfect pitch" as she says in the quote. Perfect or absolute pitch means the ability to identify notes without a reference pitch; some people with perfect pitch actually have average pitch perception and can't sing in tune. Judging from that quote, I doubt Michelle Branch even knows what perfect pitch is. D SCH 13:28, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cite?

References would be nice. —Chantessy 22:34, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

They would. I've added a spot to the category page where these can be added. - Rainwarrior 23:21, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
References go in articles, not on categories. I will move the ones added to the category page here, and anyone who wants can check they are in the relevant article. Athenaeum 20:10, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
It was inconvenient to put the references in the articles where they belong, because you cannot attach a citation notice to a category. The category page I thought was the next best place, especially as many people come to this page and ask about it. The talk page isn't any kind of place for reference material. Because it cannot go on the article page, and talk pages are, in general, disorganized (are newcomers supposed to read every topic in the talk page to find these citations?), the category page is the most suitable place for this. A lot of people do ask for citations, and they do find them easily where they were. - Rainwarrior 20:34, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What is perfect pitch

i understand barbra streisand, but tina turner and shakira? can someone give me an example - 21:49, 11 May 2006 Mychael

The best place to ask this question would be at Absolute pitch. This page is not a definition, merely a category. - Rainwarrior 16:59, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Yeah. Hayley Westenra. Also Anneke van Giersbergen and Sharon den Adel. They should be here.

[edit] STALIN

I can't believe it. That MUST be an error. 212.242.144.172 13:25, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

yeah, thats got to be vandalism, if a source can't be found I'm going to take it down Schrandit 00:15, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I just took down my copy of Simon Sebag Montefiore's Stalin: The Court of the Red Tsar, and in it, the wife of one of Stalin's many defense ministers is quoted as saying, "Stalin's pitch was perfect." This is, of course, quite a vague statement; it is impossible to know whether she was referring to his tone or actual perfect pitch, as the translation may have been confused at some point. In the context, it does not appear as if it was meant as perfect pitch from that specific passage. Perhaps other sources have confirmed that Stalin really did have absolute pitch? Llosoc 00:27, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
take it down now, it's kinda obvious he was too stupid to know this kind of thing —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.66.178.80 (talk • contribs) 01:28, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Stalin wasn't stupid. He may've been evil and bloodthirsty, but certainly not stupid. At least, he achieved more than you, so you don't really have any right to make incompetent comments like that about historical figures —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.117.56.99 (talk • contribs) 15:37, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Stalind didn't know a foreign language... that's a funny thing to say, because Russian language itself was a foreign language for him, as his first language was Georgian.
hhmmmmm.....well I'll be damned Schrandit 16:24, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
I have deleted the reference to Stalin. I am a marxist from Argentina; I have been studying the Russian Revolution for years, and this is quite ridiculous. Anyway, many other false 'virtues' have been told of Stalin. Actually, it is well known that Stalin forged the History of the Russian Revolution in order to appear as the greatest leader in history (just to quote one source from thousands, I will name his biography by Isaac Deutscher).
Just to mention an anecdote frequently recalled, when Stalin first listened to Shostakovich's Lady Macbeth of the Mtsensk District, he was shocked, and declared: "this is not music", because of its innovative harmony.
Regarding Stalin's supposed stupidity, I don't think he had been a stupid person, actually all the contrary... But he was a complete brute, as Lenin literally calls him in his "Testament". He knew no foreign language, was a mediocre orator and writer, and had no interest in culture (the only interest he had in culture was when it came to the needs of censorship). This can be checked in any non-stalinist biography. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.231.57.64 (talk • contribs) 21:35, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
The biography wasn't written by Stalin. I don't see why his stifling of the cultural development of music in Russia has anything to do with whether or not he had perfect pitch. Pitch has nothing to do with musical preference. Unless you have some source that contradicts the one we had there, pehaps you could quote some anectdote that suggests he was poor musician, then you have provided no reason to remove this reference. - Rainwarrior 23:42, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Should this be a category?

Should this really be a category (rather than at best a List of people with perfect pitch)? The fact that someone has perfect pitch is, though somewhat unusual, not particularly significant and so not something that you are likely to want to use to find articles. Cf having a category 'People with red hair'. Ben Finn 12:42, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

From the great number of people who had added entries to the list which was originally on the Absolute pitch page, on which my creation of this category was based, I would say that there is definitely interest in it. - Rainwarrior 14:51, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Ah, the endless circle where lists are turned into categories and then back. Hyacinth 20:28, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
You're absolutely right there's an interest. It lets you know who belongs above all the rest.
I have to agree with Ben. Perfect pitch is certainly a cool talent, but I don't think it is so remarkable or rare as to deserve its own category. Many completely non-famous people have perfect pitch. Furthermore, making this a list page would make it easier to use citations, which are desperately needed (especially considering the debate on who should or shouldn't be included and confusion over what perfect pitch is). 05:47, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Isn't that like arguing against French actors because there are many completely non-famous people who are French actors? By definition, the category is restricted to people who have an encyclopedia entry, and in practice restricted even more to musicians who have an encyclopedia entry. Within that context, it's a trait worth noting. Rainwarrior, re the category for deletion: I truly don't get why I'm the only other person who thinks this is a reasonable category. –Outriggr § 06:22, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't get it either. There have been so many edits to this page, and before when it was a list, and before that when it was cluttering the absolute pitch article. Myself, I'm really not that interested in this information, but I believe that people definitely want to know, and I've made an effort to maintain this category because of that. - Rainwarrior 06:55, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm not that interested either, but I agree. It can make a difference to one's understanding of a musician's music. –Outriggr § 06:58, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pytor Ilyich Tchaikovsky

Shouldn't Tchaikovsky be added as he was well known for having absolute pitch? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.173.10.182 (talk • contribs) 23:34, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

So add him, and leave a citation. - Rainwarrior 09:32, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
To add someone to the category, you must edit their article to contain [[Category:People with absolute pitch|Lastname, Firstname]] near the bottom of the page. I have done this for you; take a look at my edit to see how it is done. Also, please sign your talk page comments by typing ~~~~ at the end of the message which will create an automatic signature and date for your comment (even if you aren't a registered user). - Rainwarrior 21:11, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Famous People With Perfect Pitch

I personally don't have time to add people to this list at the moment (Although I will get to it very soon.) but to help improve the page I highly suggest this webpage directed towards noting famous people with perfect pitch. http://www.perfectpitchpeople.com/ - It contains Names, Countries Occupations (I.E. Conductor, pianist, singer, composer, ect.) and citations for every person on the list.

[edit] Sandbox articles with this category are shown as well

It seems that the Wiki software includes sandbox material when listing pages within a category. For example, User:Sahafan/Sandbox/Slot2 is listed, because the user's sandbox is a copy of the Brian Wilson article. What to do? Thomasdrumm 15:20, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Take the category off the user page. When I make a copy like that to do my own editing on it, I change all the [Category:Something] to [:Category:Something]. - Rainwarrior 16:01, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ritchie Blackmore

It's a fact known to his fans... I cannot find a reference. elpincha 19:44, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shakira reference

IMHO the reference does not claim perfect pitch in the musical sense, but is a layman's way of saying "she never drifts out of tune". Which is kinda incorrect, esp. if you've been to some of her lesser concerts. elpincha 19:44, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree and would move to delete it, regardless of her singing out of tune at concerts. As someone else pointed out, having perfect pitch doesn't necessarily have anything to do with singing ability. Either way, I don't believe it based on that vague citation. Skotoseme 21:52, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vai reference

Vai has said in interviews that he has very developed relative pitch. See Vai discussion for more info. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.121.25.137 (talk • contribs) 17:51, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, we didn't have a reference here for Steve Vai anyway, so... I don't think there's anything to be done here. It looks like you've already removed the categorization from his page. - Rainwarrior 21:03, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
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