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[edit] hi

hello cill here., frindly hello, e\whist im ranting at other wikis. I HATE being reverted, 3 hours after i did it!! PAH. fanaticsCilstr 06:35, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Hazelwood power station, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.
Updated DYK query Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Form constant, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.
Updated DYK query Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Iberian Ribbed Newt, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.
Updated DYK query Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Rainwater tank, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Archive: page 1 page 2 page 3 is the history

[edit] Help Me out please?

Is it possible to email you or talk to you somehow about my problems becuase one of my articles is up for deletion automatically and it said to contact an administrator for help, my artical is halotrialmods.org , which is an organization and not a commercial website.

(Federal111 23:41, 29 January 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Images on $100 laptop article

I delete a lot of images and screw up a few now and then because I'm much less then perfect. Sorry, it was one of yours this time. You might want to upload the image again with a more unique file name then Laptop-front - helps keep some people from uploading over it inadvertantly. Also, are your images on your Watchlist? If not, you should add them and that way you are notified if anybody messes with them -Regards Nv8200p talk 17:38, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Haeckel gallery

Pengo, thanks! I was going to get around to that eventually, but you've saved me the trouble. I've been keeping my own record of the uploads at User:Ragesoss/Haeckel (that page also includes what I take to be the German common names), so I double-checked to find the few that weren't categorized right or otherwise slipped through the cracks. When I upload more, I'll keep the gallery up-to-date. As for labeling and species names, I don't think I'm quite up for scanning all the description pages (as I did with the frogs), I'll serve requests for individual plates for use in well-developed articles. I'm not certain, but it looks like the new editions available for sale don't actually have the descriptions, just the plates (this one may, it's hard to tell from the amazon page). May the Wiki be with you--ragesoss 18:00, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Nice work with the frogs plate, btw.--ragesoss 18:03, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

I uploaded the pages with species names that you asked for; they're linked from User:Ragesoss/Haeckel. On the Ophiodea, you might not be able to read the numbering, so I put a note about it. If I missed anything, let me know.--ragesoss 03:55, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Russian Space History

May I enquire as to why you are creating a lot of redirects? Some of them aren't linked to. Don't get me wrong, I'm assuming good faith, I'm just curious. --Spook (my talk | my contribs) 10:22, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Keep up the good work then, sorry for interupting. Spook (my talk | my contribs) 10:33, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] African Clawed Frog Photo

Hey Pengo,

Why is the photo you just put into African Clawed Frog black and white? Do you have another version which is coloured?

Hi LiquidGhoul, I can't respond on your page because I have inherited the old IP address of a banned user (Flavius vanillus if you're interested). But it seems that I'm still allowed to edit my own talk page. Is there a problem with the photo being black and white? Pengo 17:12, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Hey Pengo, I've had the same problem before with the IP address, its crap. I don't have a problem with the B&W, I just found it a little strange. Does it illustrate anything different than having it in colour? --liquidGhoul 12:15, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
Rightio, that's cool. --liquidGhoul 12:29, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The IP Blocking

Hey Pengo, sorry that affected you. I'm not an admin and didn't make the blocks, but I've been helping watch that IP because of a string of vandalism originating from it. I put a template up on the IP talk page for sharedIP, so that should help. Happy editing! --TKE 17:28, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Award

Thanks for the award! WikieZach| talk 06:09, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I just made this up

I give you this oponion for having strong and complex opinions on a number of topics without being a dick.
I give you this oponion for having strong and complex opinions on a number of topics without being a dick.

Apparently people on Wikipedia honor each other with small, free-use images accompanied by inane comments as some type of primitive tribal recognition ceremony, so here are a couple of onions!

I am enjoying your idea page at User:Pengo/rants a lot. Some good, concise-but-thought-provoking ideas, some interesting issues, and a lot of pretty pictures. Keep it up, mister! -Silence 15:08, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the oponions. I appropriately received them while I was in the middle of updating my rants page too :) —Pengo 15:34, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
I know, I had the page on my watchlist and your updates reminded me of it. :) -Silence 16:24, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK image

You've left off the copyright info and credit from Image:Pleurodeles_waltl_BUD.jpg when you copied it and protected it! Please add these back. It's very annoying that they're missing. Pengo 04:29, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

It's been fixed now, but please remember to keep the licensing info when copying/protecting images in future. Pengo 04:46, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Hello, Pengo. I'm sorry to hear that my editing has annoyed you. I don't mind copying the licensing info, etc. the next time I need to {{C-upload}} another nice picture by you. However, the C-upload template was applied, indicating "file history, licensing and other information" can be found at Commons:Image:Pleurodeles waltl BUD.jpg, I just wondered why it was even necessary to copy things over. ... Oh, well, Essjay has fixed it .... -- PFHLai 05:37, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Just found out that admins are now required to copy over the attributions from WCommons. I've tweaked the instructions on the C-upload template accordingly. Hopefully, I'll be the last admin to miss the attributions. Cheers. -- PFHLai 06:36, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
No worries, thanks for taking the time to check it out. Pengo 07:05, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Award

I award you this amphibian with fins for working so hard to get rid of the strange things on Wikipedia.—pschemp 09:02, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
I award you this amphibian with fins for working so hard to get rid of the strange things on Wikipedia.
—pschemp 09:02, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I couldn't resist :) pschemp | talk 09:03, 6 March 2006 (UTC) This thing has its own holiday now too. See Wikipedia:Esperanza/Calendar/March. hehe. pschemp | talk 09:04, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

The Template Barnstar
I award you this fine barnstar for the work you did in improving the Taxobox template by adding conservation status shortcuts. I was thinking of doing that myself, but you beat me to the punch! - UtherSRG (talk) 15:33, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Et tu Brute?

Thanks for contributing the reference to snowclones at Et tu, Brute?. I am the original author of that sentence, and while I had read the languagelog discussions of snowclones before, it totally did not occur to me that that's what I was getting at here! The link greatly improves that sentence. --Iustinus 17:36, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Cool. Glad it helped. I actually questioned myself about that change and half expected it to be reverted. After the edit I realised how recent a neologism "Snowclone" is. I'd only stumbled across the term myself the same day. Pengo 00:30, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Pengo,

Thanks for fixing the assessment scheme listed on the Pushing to 1.0 page. I wanted to do that myself, but felt it was inappropriate because I was the originator of the A/B system. However the 0.5/1.0 scheme was never applied to any articles as far as I know, because there were disputes about the exact meanings. On the other hand the A/B system seems to have become quite established on WP:1.0 and elsewhere. I think you have correctly judged the most common view, that 0.5 = B and 1.0 = A. Thanks a lot! Walkerma 08:03, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] How did I know...

Hehe, thanks heaps for formatting the Mud Adder page. Why doesn't it comes as a surprise that you did that straight away after we'd been at the pub? :) Mija 22:24, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Happy Birthday!

Esperanza wishes you a Happy Birthday!!
Esperanza wishes you a Happy Birthday!!

Happy Birthday! --Misza13 T C 23:00, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Enjoy! Cheers, Sango123 (e) 02:36, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Enjoy! Cheers, Sango123 (e) 02:36, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Happy Birthday, and have a good one --Ali K 05:52, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Happy birthday! — nathanrdotcom (T • C • W) 08:49, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Same from here, Happy Birthday from the House of Gryffindor!!

Hey, happy birthday - I came running here - I am late, but somehow I reached here. Happy Birth Day!!! --Bhadani 16:28, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I doubt you even know me, but I still wish you a belated happy birthday! GizzaChat © 12:20, 30 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Template:Descopy

Just saw this for the first time. I appreciate what you're trying to do, but why not simply edit the Commons description page in the relevant cases to a) make it clearer that the primary links refer to Commons galleries, b) add secondary links to Wikipedia articles (using the [[w:Article title]] syntax? As it is, this invites unnecessary duplication and, as a consequence, makes the description pages harder to maintain.--Eloquence* 21:43, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

The reason I didn't just add w: links to the commons page was that I'd like to see which links actually work, and w: links do not show the red/blue for working/broken links. In a way it was for my own reference, but I thought others might like to see which links worked or didn't too. It's not ideal, but it works for me. —Pengo 23:52, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The semiprotected tag

Hi there, you added the sprotected tag to Hacker. However, protecting an article actually takes pressing a special button that only administrators have access to -- this tag is only intended to warn users that the page has, in fact, been protected, because pressing that button doesn't have any discernible effect on the article itself. So, please don't just slap that tag onto an article, because that doesn't actually protect it. If you need to request a page be protected, you can use this page: Requests for protection. Thanks · Katefan0(scribble)/poll 21:27, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oil (disambiguation) → Oil

Hello. In the interest of building a consensus, I would appreciate any input you (as a recent contributor to these pages) would have regarding the request to move Oil (disambiguation) back to Oil. Thank you, --Kralizec! (talk) 17:52, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I've added my input. —Pengo 06:54, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] you rock

The Original Barnstar
I award you this barnstar for you great work adding species names and label guides to Haeckel plates. ragesoss 20:42, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template:R with possibilities

Hello, you suggested here that Template:R with possibilities be renamed to "R subtopic". I've proposed a rename at TfD ( link). Your feedback would be welcome there. Thanks. Shawnc 22:21, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I've commented on the subject and dug up/revived my old suggestion for these templates (User:Pengo/R). —Pengo 22:43, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shock and Awe

Hello Pengo, I don't want to cause any trouble because I'm new here (at least as an editor), so I'd like to talk off the record to a few good contributors about a problem I see on an article that you've edited. Your contributions seem solid, so maybe you can help me. I've been using the Wikipedia definition of "Shock and Awe" for several months because I like how it described the type of warfare that "Shock and Awe" is and also how it gave a link to a definition of "rapid dominance" (of which it claims to be a subset).

In the last couple of days, however, a user called JW1805 edited the article and I think he made the definition much worse.[1] It now says that "Shock and Awe is a military doctrine," whereas is used to say exactly what type of military doctrine it falls into: "Shock and Awe is a method of unconventional warfare." Isn't the old definition more informative? According to the definition of Conventional warfare, I don't think anyone could call it that. So, I think it's safe and informative to say that "Shock and Awe" fits into the definition of unconventional warfare, don't you?

Also JW1805 removed the link to "Rapid dominance," deleted the "Rapid dominance" article and redirected it to "Shock and Awe." Yet the "Shock and Awe" article still says, "Its authors label [shock and awe] a subset of Rapid Dominance." Does that make any sense to you? According to RUSI Journal 141:8-12 Oct '96, "Rapid dominance" is an "intellectual construct" whereas "Shock and awe" is one "method" of implementing that construct. Obviously they are not the same thing. So, why would JW1805 redirect "Rapid dominance" to "Shock and Awe?" Why would he delete the "Rapid dominance" article and the link to it?

I went to JW1805's talk page to speak directly to him, but I read what others have said to him, and it seems to be the same story: if you are only one person complaining, JW1805 considers you a troublemaker and has his friends ban you, but if more than one person gets together and says the same thing, he listens. If you feel the same way as I about his edits to "Shock and Awe" and "Rapid dominance," I'm sure we can work together to get the best definition back in place. Are you up for something like that? --Larnue the dormouse 22:35, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Pengo, Larnue the dormouse (talk • contribs) has been confirmed by Jayjg (who has CheckUser power) as a sockpuppet of banned user Zephram Stark (talk • contribs). If you aren't familar with this long-term troll, please see Category:Wikipedia:Suspected_sockpuppets_of_Zephram_Stark, Wikipedia:Long_term_abuse#Zephram_Stark, and Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Zephram Stark for details. Since he is banned, I'm going to rvt all of his posts and edits. With your permission, I would also like to remove the section at the Administrators' noticeboard page, since it appears to sully my good name. --JW1805 (Talk) 04:46, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

I did not accuse you of anything on the Administrators' noticeboard page. —Pengo 14:01, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you accused me of anything, but the "Larnue" (aka Zephram) quote does. I would ask as a courtesy that you remove his post from this page, which is a personal attack against me from a banned troll. See the links I provided for details about his modus operandi. He creates at least several sockpuppets a week, which are usually easy to spot, and they are banned. I'm just one the editors that reverts his edits (I could care less about what is in the Shock and Awe article.) --JW1805 (Talk) 14:48, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
I brought his comments to the attention of admins so it could be sorted out. And it has. I'm sorry that Larnue's or Zephram's comments offend you, but they've been said and you've had a chance to respond. There is no need to go back and erase his comments from this page now. That would destroy the transparency that makes this site work. Please know your limits. —Pengo 01:57, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
If he was a legidimate Wikipedia editor, I would agree with you. But, he was banned by an ArbCom ruling, any posts he makes should be considered vandalism and reverted. If you don't want to rmv it, I can't make you. No hard feelings. --JW1805 (Talk) 02:13, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template:R with possibilities

I'm glad to be of assistance, and thank you for your comments so far. Regards. Shawnc 06:42, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A KISS Rfa Thanks

Thank you, I've been promoted. pschemp | talk 01:16, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Fishabudgie

Thanks very much for the exotic Hummingbird awarded in relation to Image:Fishapods.jpg - it's a great honour from someone who obviously understands phylogenetic classification to someone only dimly aware of it! Don't know if you saw what it replaced, but that seems to have collapsed Nature's diagram with somewhat misleading results, or they've got different dates and information to the Wikipedia pages. It was a bit of a rush job to get over likely copyvio, but given a bit of notice I'll be glad to provide similar images in future. Preferably not having to draw too many of the beasties! (the inane grin on Tiktaalik was more accident than design). ...dave souza, talk 20:03, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Happy Spring celebration / Easter (as your preferences and beliefs dictate)

Here's hoping that if the bunny leaves you any beans they're this kind! ++Lar: t/c 14:53, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Here's hoping that if the bunny leaves you any beans they're this kind! ++Lar: t/c 14:53, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] taxobox

I've reverted this and the related changes. See template talk:taxobox. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:34, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Extinctioners Page

Thanks for editing the link to the Extinctioners site, listen, is there a limit to the number of pic on Wikipedia, cause a user named Pathoschild COMPLETELY edited my page last night, changed everything, left a ton of empty spaces, what do you think and what should I do? Do you think I have too many pics or are you like me, more visual info, the better —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RVDDP2501 (talk • contribs).

Generally, having too many non-free images is discouraged, but personally I like images. That said, I don't really want to get seriously involved in the debate. All I did was change a link in the external links section. Hope you don't get too much wikistress —Pengo 11:05, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, then can I ask your opinion, if thats ok with you, which pics do you think are not nessesary, which one you think can stay, etc. I really would like you opinion, if you want I can give you my e-mail address so we can talk in an easier way, what would you prefer?

If you want my honest opinion, making shrines to pop culture is a massive waste of time and you've already invested far too much mental and emotional energy to it. I really wish people would care more about conserving real animals and less about the placement of drawings of anthropomorphised ones. Pathoschild's version is much neater, and the images which have been removed could possibly be added in a gallery at the bottom, although they are basically unnecessary. Try reading what has already been said to you. If you like drawings of animals, why not make some yourself and add them to the relevant articles about those animals. There are plenty of mammals that don't have pictures yet. —Pengo 11:47, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, is that better?

[edit] Collapsable taxobox

I really like your idea of creating a collapsable taxobox. It would be a great addition to have the ability to include the extra information without making the taxobox too clunky. I think you should bring it up somewhere, maybe WP:TOL first, to get people interested, and then maybe try and get some of the coders of Wikipedia to help (no idea how you would go about this). --liquidGhoul 14:27, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. I did bring it up on a village pump page (technical i think) but the discussion seems to have gone AWOL (i can't find it anyway). The idea generally wasn't greeted with much enthusiasm, and the technical problems of implementing it are still there. The main criticism I can recall was that the levels of taxonomy that are hidden are also often debated/uncertain. As for the technical side, I have noticed that the metadata on images is collapsable, and maybe the javascript it uses can be hijacked. (e.g. see Metadata section on Australia_Cairns_Koala.jpg) but I haven't attempted to use this approach as yet. —Pengo 21:18, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Turtle moves to common names

Hi Pengo, this is regarding the move for Aspideretes leithii to one of its common names. The name Nagpur Soft-shell Turtle is rather contrived (and not very suitable since the name specifies a geographic region and the species is found beyond that region) and hardly in use although noted in the EMBL database. I would defer any moves to common names for reptiles and amphibians in general until someone on the reptile and amphibians project offers a reference 'standardized' list of common names. Shyamal 07:11, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

No problems. Will be more cautious in future. Thanks for pointing this out. —Pengo 07:17, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Beastie bot - superfluous headers

Hi Pengo - nice work; just to mention that in a number of cases the bot has added duplicate ==References== headers when the header already existed (see e.g. my removal of the spare one at Juniperus cedrus - MPF 00:47, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I've fixed this now so it looks for any heading start with "Reference" and not just plain "Reference(s)". Let me know if you find any other problems. —Pengo 04:02, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Many thanks! One small one - on Cupressus dupreziana, you've set the IUCN status to EN, which applies to Cupressus dupreziana sensu lato (i.e., including Cupressus atlantica as Cupressus dupreziana var. atlantica). Here, the two taxa are treated as distinct species, for which the status for Cupressus dupreziana sensu stricto is CR (see the IUCN page for Cupressus dupreziana var dupreziana) - MPF 16:55, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Actually that's more of a major fubar than a small one. I've stopped beastie bot until I get a chance to fix the code that deals with varieties and subpopulations. Thanks for pointing this one out. Also, do you know why so many tree species are marked as "Secure"? IUCN only uses the term "least concern" and so where does "Secure" come from in this context? I haven't found a species that expands on it. —Pengo 00:57, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks! The varieties and subpopulations problem shouldn't matter most of the time where wiki uses the same taxonomy as IUCN, it'll only differ in the few cases where we have adopted different taxonomy.
The 'secure' dates back to early versions (back from the article's start in Feb 2004 by User:Tannin) of Wikipedia:Conservation status (then under the title Conservation status, which is now a different article). I used 'Secure' for all the conifers listed as "[not threatened]" in Farjon's Kew Checklist of Conifers; these are now (in Farjon's newer publications) listed as LR (lc), which wasn't used in the Kew checklist, so obviously everything that I've marked as 'Secure' can be re-tagged LR (lc). Of course I don't know about species that other people have tagged as 'Secure'! - MPF 01:54, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Oops! Was in a rush and got myself confused and thought Beastie Bot had done the opposite (i.e. linked to the variety instead of the more general species page). Anyway, the confusion made me realise there may have been a bug in how it handled subpopulation entries from the red list, so at least I fixed that. I'll still have to fix it so it doesn't try to re-correct the category on Cupressus dupreziana and other changed entries next time it runs.
It's good to know where (many of) the "Secure" status entries come from. I was a bit uneasy about changing them before. —Pengo 10:14, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Boot flag?

Hi! How did you get your bot flag [2] I checked Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approvals and Wikipedia:Bots/Approval_log no update there, is there another place to ask? Still no update on my request..... Stefan 01:11, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

It was approved by robchurch [3], and bot flag was given by Linuxbeak [4]. Seems no one's added it to the approval log. Good luck with yours :) —Pengo 01:56, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Beastie Bot -- references style

Could you reprogram Beastie Bot so that it recognizes (where possible) the references style of the article and adds the IUCN reference accordingly? For example, in an article like [5] you should use {{ref}} and {{note}}; where an article uses <ref>...</ref> and <reference/> you should do the same. (Otherwise I should add that this bot appears to be doing a good job.) Gdr 11:59, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

On second thoughts, this is not at all straightforward. There doesn't seem to be any easy place to put the footnote or reference. (Maybe taxoboxes need a parameter i?) Gdr 12:40, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for checking out the bot and giving feedback. It does do the second type of referencing but not the first. For the <ref>. style referencing I added status_ref to the taxobox to make it work (e.g. see Yellow-shouldered Blackbird.) Beastie Bot has just recently finished doing the initial run, so it might be trickier to fix things for the note-type referencing now. Unfortunately I didn't come across it when testing and thought it had disappeared and been replaced with <ref>. I might try making a list of taxoboxed species that use it and update them by hand. I don't think there's many. —Pengo 13:05, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Missing period by bot

The following sentence "Database entry includes a brief justification of why this species is critically endangered and the criteria used" should have a period at the end. Also, I think the bot should ignore articles with the ref_harv style or it should be codified to recognize it (Maybe it's not as easy as just ignoring). Otherwise great job. Joelito (talk) 15:54, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback, but... damn periods. I'll add it to my list of things to fix up next time round. Can you point me to an example of an article using ref_harv style? Do you mean the ref/notes style mentioned above (on my talk page)? It does recognise and use <ref&gt; references when they're already used on a page. —Pengo 16:02, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Elfin-woods Warbler. Joelito (talk) 16:02, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Organic matter clarifications

Thank you (and an invite!) for your good work in clarifying terms for organic, humic, and biotic matter. -- Paleorthid 04:40, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mammals

Hi there. Are you sure that "There are more humans alive today than there are individuals of all other mammal species combined"? I'd be a little bit surprised if this were true, given the number of small mammal species (just think of rats for starters). However, I'd be less surprised if the word "biomass" were substituted in there. That I could believe given the fraction of terrestrial (and oceanic for that matter) primary production that we appropriate for ourselves. Either way, if you can set me straight on this with a reference, that'd be great - it's precisely the kind of thing I find alarmingly interesting. Cheers, --Plumbago 10:11, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Probably Extinct"

To further my reply to your question about the taxobox status category PE I made, check this appendix to the recent paper in Bull. B.O.C. "Going or gone: defining 'Possibly Extinct' species to give a truer picture of recent extinctions". As I said, the "PE" classification is currently only used for birds, but it can only be a matter of time until everyone uses it. Dysmorodrepanis 18:29, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Featured article project

I would like to nominate Asian arowana for featured article status some time in the near future. I am writing to ask for your help in improving the article in any possible way in preparation for nomination. Thanks! --Ginkgo100 talk · contribs 16:47, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] nbsp

Go ahead and do the revert if you want. - UtherSRG (talk) 05:08, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Westpac Life Saver Rescue Helicopter

I've closed the AfD on this article, so you're now free to move it to a better title. Joyous! | Talk 16:24, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Counter-Strike maps

Hi Pengo. I hadn't finished putting Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Counter-Strike maps together, and you voted before I finished, and before it was posted to AFD. As I hadn't finished, what you voted on is not what is now there, so I removed your vote. Please feel free to revisit the AFD. Thanks, Proto///type 14:26, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, no probs.—Pengo 14:31, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Subpages with image licenses

Do you use User:Pengo/testb, User:Pengo/testbb, and User:Pengo/testselfb? They're showing up in all sorts of image categories. Pagrashtak 17:30, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

I've removed them now. —Pengo 00:57, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
I appreciate it. Pagrashtak 00:58, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Banggai cardinalfish

Just to let you know, I created an article for the Banggai cardinalfish and included your photo as one of the images. Thanks! --Ginkgo100 talk · contribs · e@ 20:49, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Snapper chrysophrys aurata

I saw your lifelist offering a picture of the snapper chrysophrys aurata. I started a page for that fish, a picture would be great. (Oh, and if you're wondering why there's no taxobox yet, well, as a famous lexicographer once said, it's a case of "ignorance madam, pure ignorance". :-) -- Kevin Ryde 00:06, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Nice work. Image uploaded. Good luck working out the taxonomy and taxobox :) —Pengo talk · contribs 00:25, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Tailor/Snapper

Hi Pengo!
Thanks for notifying me! I'm afraid my expertise lies well within the bounds of taken the subject! So I have to rely on guys like you who are experts in identifying them! Thanks --Fir0002 12:28, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NZ wood pigeon

Hope you don't mind, but I uploaded your pic of the kererū / NZ wood pigeon onto the Commons - so it can be accessed by all Wikipedia projects (like the Māori language wikipedia that I am involved with) rather than just the English Wikipedia. It's a great photo, with really nice detail. If this isn't what you want, then I can remove it from commons. Cheers Kahuroa 10:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

No worries. I've been meaning to move my photos to commons for a while. —Pengo talk · contribs 14:33, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
saw your 'oops duplicate' message on commons re kererū / NZ wood pigeon. I'll leave it to you to sort it out... Cheers Kahuroa 07:31, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
yup i finally got round to moving all (well most) of my photos to commons and accidently did that one again too. anyway cheers :) —Pengo talk · contribs 11:15, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Taxobox

The problem is, it has been vandalized. Users added penis images on three separate occasions on September 4th. As such, it's a high-risk template- making bad edits can affect thousands of pages and can be hard to revert. Suggestions for changes can be made on the talk page with {{editprotected}}. I fully agree that we should assume good faith, but since there has been bad faith, it also has to be recognized that vandalism to this template is extremely dangerous- having nudity on thousands of pages ruins our credibility a lot more than vandalism on a single page. Ral315 (talk) 05:25, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA Q

Hi, just to let you know I've added a 5th question to your RfA.--Andeh 11:33, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I added one more quickie. Thanks. —Wknight94 (talk) 18:21, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requesting administrator assistance on IRC

I am taking these accusations of lack of process for using IRC quite seriously. Whether IRC should or shouldn't be used: the fact is it is used, and not just by me. Instead of debating whether using IRC is against procedure, I've proposed a procedure for when sysops use IRC to listen to Move Requests, which for now I've put on the village pump (policy) page: Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Requesting_administrator_assistance_on_IRC. Your feedback is welcome. —Pengo talk · contribs 00:45, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Roger that, thanks. —Wknight94 (talk) 00:54, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SVG fish

Hey Pengo, you seem to have some knowledge of SVG and certainly a great deal of knowledge of fish and other animals, so could I ask if you know of any good clean SVG files of (modern) fish similar to Image:Finny.svg? I'm working on a heraldic project and need a PD/GFDL fish (any long narrow type is good, salmon or the like) that isn't cluttered with InkScape's tracing artifacts. Any help you can provide would be lovely, and this is NOT time-sensitive. Cheers. -- nae'blis 18:58, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your Minority-opinion article

Hey, I just reviewed and expanded your article List of minority-opinion scientific theories. It is a GREAT article. I added a section on Paradigm shifts; I thought it was completely relevant since some or many scientific theories that began as minority-opinion theories later became majority-opinion theories after a scientific community Paradigm shift. I also started the Talk page for the article. I will look and see if I can find any more for your list in the article. ProfessorPaul 01:54, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Congratulations

You're now an admin, so you don't have to ask everyone else to take care of things for you. I'm confident you'll use the tools wisely as you've been around a long time helping the project, but as you get into new admin tasks, make sure to read the policies and get the hang of how things are done. Don't hesitate to ask on the admin noticeboard or my talk page if you're unsure of the best approach. Generally be conservative, it's better to warn politely than inflame a situation with harsh words or a block before needed. - Taxman Talk 12:50, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I'll be good. :) —Pengo talk · contribs 13:33, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
OMG I missed it? :( Congrats though! pschemp | talk 18:54, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Hey! I suppose we can now say you longer edit for "the Man;" since you are now a Wikipedia Administrator, you ARE "the Man!" You "da Man!" Congrats! ProfessorPaul 02:14, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IRC/RFA/VPP

Sorry for the delay in replying. I looked over your comments at Village Pump Policy, but didn't have anything constructive to add. I'd just like to mention that the IRC issue, in other fields, has been at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Giano/Evidence#Evidence_presented_by_User:Geogre. I'm sure that in other circumstances I wouldn't have seen it as an issue (indeed, in other circumstances I wouldn't be reading RFA most likely), but a trawl through AN/I and AN may lead you to the suspicion that many things which go wrong do so because of a lack of transparency. Anyway, it's certainly a non-issue now: you won't need to get someone else to speedy redirects with histories. Again, apologies for the delay in replying and best wishes for the future, Angus McLellan (Talk) 00:23, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your Panorama template

Hey. Greetings from a fellow Melburnian. :) Eloquence has contacted me a week or two ago to let me know about the panorama template that you had created. I'd like to be able to use it in a number of articles but I have found that in the article on the Royal Crescent it will take over any existing images aligned to the right if they happen to get in the way (it may not do that on your screen. There is another [[template that Eloquence has imported from the German wiki that does a similar job to yours, but I prefer the design of yours and would like to use yours if possible, if it weren't for the issue I just mentioned. I should also mention that I'm terrible with html code, but I fumbled my way into the german template and found the following seems to fix the alignment problem:

<div class="thumb" style="margin: 5px; clear: both;"></div>

Given how little I understand of html, I didn't want to edit your template to try to insert that code without consulting you first. For now, I can just add the code in above the template and that solves the problem for the article in question, but it will get messy to insert that for every panorama that aligns badly, and I tend to make a lot of photographic panoramas!

Oh, and just to confuse things further, I should note that I use Firefox as my default web browser and the scrolling function on your template works fine with it, but I just opened up the Royal Crescent page with IE and the scroll bar did not appear and the panorama only displayed until the end of the visible page... Any ideas? Is it just me?

This is the page with your template and the same page with the German template for your reference. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 14:30, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Horizontal scrolling text box

Hi - Inspired by your template:Panorama I'm attempting to create a horizontally scrolling text box (to replace big bulky navigational templates that are really just simple linear lists). The technique from template:panorama doesn't work in IE (as I think you know). If you know of a technique that might work for text (see Wikipedia talk:Navigational templates#Compressed templates), please let me know (or just show it as an example on the talk page). Although I sort of like my "virtually scrollable" technique, actually scrollable would clearly be far better. Thanks. -- Rick Block (talk) 03:02, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

The version currently at Wikipedia talk:Navigational templates#Compressed templates seems to work with IE (explicit height seems to be important). -- Rick Block (talk) 16:21, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Please see Template:NavigationBar. I've solicited comments at WP:VPT#NavigationBar as well. -- Rick Block (talk) 17:45, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] XSLT

Does the wikimedia server support XSLT ? Check out [6] and [7]. Shyamal 09:35, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query On October 19, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article modified starch, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 01:54, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] rants

Well said, in many cases. I've made some replies. I'm at work and have to go to a meeting. I'm sure I have replies to other rants.... - UtherSRG (talk) 13:53, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

thanks for your comments. i've added replies to a couple. —Pengo talk · contribs 23:38, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] neglected diseases

Hi, I was looking through your category of neglected diseases and I was wondering is there any references (ie from the WHO or CDC categorizing these listed diseases as being neglected? It seems that those diseases affect the neglected and the poor, which is why they are named as such, but I'm not sure if that term is generally accepted by international standards since there are so many other diseases that can affect the neglected. thanks. Andrewr47 02:21, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure who defined the 13 neglected diseases, but the list can be found in various/many places on the net. They were probably defined by the Drugs for Neglected Diseases Initiative (DNDi). The diseases are not diseases of neglected people, but diseases which are neglected by drug companies' R&D departments. —Pengo talk · contribs 02:30, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Invitation to join WikiProject Environment

Hi there, I notice your background and interests. I am seeking to expand the membership of Wikipedia:WikiProject Environment to create a more informed vibrant environmental community on wikipedia. Would you be interested in joining? If so please put your name down on the project page Alex 15:28, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Qubero

Would a Qubero wiki page be interesting? Snowman 10:39, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Sure. I don't know if it's notable enough though. —Pengo talk · contribs 11:15, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I have seen several software packs on the wiki and there must be many. I hope try out the b version that is currently available; probably better if someone indepentant to the firm makes some edits about the hex editor. Snowman 16:45, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I have decided to make a external link from the Hex editor page. Snowman 21:37, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for taking the time to look at it and stuff, but the software itself really isn't even a beta release yet. Unfortunately I don't have the time or money to work on it. —Pengo talk · contribs 21:41, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
On reflection, it may be appropriate for you to modify your user page; it gives the impression that Qubero is currently highly significant to you. I will delete the external link, because I believe that software developers like to release software when it is ready and not earlier. Snowman 21:57, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Well it is significant to me. But finding something significant and having time to do anything about it are two different things. Thanks anyway. I'll let you know when Qubero is in a better state. —Pengo talk · contribs 22:01, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
When I have a lot do to, I find time management and prioratization methods help. Snowman 22:20, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your bot and the Hungarian Community

Hi. Browsing Wikipedia I came accross your bot, that updates the taxoboxes.

I was wondering, would it be possible to adapt that to huwiki somehow? Could you explain, how does it look up a species on the red list (by english name, or by latin name)? Also does it check first the red list for an article on the wiki, or vice versa?

If its technically possible to adapt the bot, would you be willing to give the code of it to me, or someone else on huwiki, so that it can be adapted, and run there too...?--Dami 15:30, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Thank you for your answer.

I'd like to help you adapt the script to huwiki, but looking around I had to realise that we yet have to standardize the taxoboxes (which are exactly the same as here). also I fear we do not have a redirect from the latin name most of the time, so I'll have to first try to make the necessary redirects (and possibly find a way to automatize that).

Would it be possible that you make a list of the translatable phrases, in expectation of a future collaboration after the above mentioned problems are solved?

Thanks again, --Dami 08:10, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, you said that your bot looks for the latin phrase and follows the redirect, would it be possible to make it look trough a category, or articles linking to the taxobox template? This would solve one of the problems I mentioned above...--Dami 11:45, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Sorry for not answering before, I'we been busy in real life and huwiki (I've become an admin, yuppie :)). I am not that good at coding either, the going through all the latin names would not be a problem (I shall check that all species have a redirect from the latin names). I still would like to localise the phrases and maybe some templates used by your bot. Also the first problem of not all the taxoboxes being in a single template hopefully shall be solved, by the time the translations are complete. Thanks for your help again--Dami 21:33, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rhino Diagram

"Inter Species Comparison of Adult Rhino Sizes"

Hi pengo. I hope this is what you had in mind. Any changes that need to be made please let me know. I haven't added it in (presumably) the rhino article as I'm not sure where you want it. I'll leave it to you to decide where you want to place it. Can you let me know when its placed just so I know it's in the article. Otherwise I get automated bot messages telling me my upload doesnt link into any pages. Many thanks. WikipedianProlific(Talk) 12:24, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Invalid conservation status

Hi, Pengo. Did you ever notice the remark I left in Category talk:Invalid conservation status? --Jwinius 18:47, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry I missed it. I've replied now. —Pengo talk · contribs 23:36, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Conservation status graphics

Thanks for adding these, very nice work! But wouldn't it be better to use different colors as e.g. BirdLife does? If you don't know them already, they use a sort of "traffic lights" color scale, which goes as follows:

LC - green with white letters
NT - green with pale green letters
(CD - green with pink letters)
VU - yellow
EN - light red
CR - dark red
EW - black with white letters
EX - black with red letters

You can nick the RGB values off BirdLife's database for example ;-) Dysmorodrepanis 16:11, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for alerting me to this. I believe long ago the conservation statuses here used to have similar colour codings but they were removed because they were somehow considered not to be NPOV. Anyway, my main goal was to make a conservation status make sense without prior knowledge of all the different categories, and i'm not sure the colour coding helps that much when it goes outside of the threatened taxa (VU/EN/CR), e.g. pale green on green doesn't mean much by itself. But perhaps the colours could be used anyway together with the graphic? What would you colourize? the text below, or the "selected" item (yellow box)? I'll try making a mock up maybe tomorrow (it's 3am) —Pengo talk · contribs 16:22, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

"OK I've finally gotten around to making a mock up. Let me know what you think."

I think: wow! :-) Colors might be a bit brighter but IONO whether this interferes with legibility. Dysmorodrepanis 07:40, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CNET's Top 10 tech we miss

Another editor has added the "{{prod}}" template to the article CNET's Top 10 tech we miss, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but the editor doesn't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and has explained why in the article (see also Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Notability). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia or discuss the relevant issues at Talk:CNET's Top 10 tech we miss. If you remove the {{prod}} template, the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. ~ BigrTex 04:12, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. It should probably be deleted. —Pengo talk · contribs 06:22, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Taxobox

Hi Pengo. Thanks for improving {{taxobox}}. If possible, though, try to make as few edits as possible, as each edit to such a widely-used template is a HUGE drain on the servers. Happy wikiing! —Mets501 (talk) 00:48, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query On 20 November 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Prasinohaema virens, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--LordAmeth 23:03, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Conservation Status change check

Hi, 67.86.121.206 (talk • contribs), who was changing the colors on a huge number of animals back in September, has returned. I reverted the colors and he stopped after I warned him, but then he started changing the conservation status codes. Can you check over the changes to see if their legit changes or if he's just wildly guessing? I'm not very familiar with the data, so I don't know if it's correct or not. -- Gogo Dodo 22:14, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the headsup. I had a look at a number of the changes and they were all putting in false information. You can always check the conservation status from the IUCN reference which has been added to most pages. The IP/user has now been blocked for 6 months. (previously it has had been given 4 blocks for: 24 hours, 48 hours, 1 week, 1 month. —Pengo talk · contribs 23:14, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. I did a look-up on IUCN, but I wasn't familiar enough with the data to be sure. For example, I looked up Gemsbok and the "Year Assessed" was 1996. Looking at the Beastie Bot page, I noticed it said that IUCN published an update in May 2006. It wasn't clear to me if there was an entirely new list or just a partial update. I thought I might be looking at old data and instead of just reverting, I thought I would check with the expert. =) -- Gogo Dodo 05:56, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Ah ok. Yep it was a partial update. It can be a bit confusing. The Gemsbok was last assessed in 1996 using 1994 criteria and that assessment appears in the "2006 IUCN Red List" (which is what the iucnredlist.org website is). —Pengo talk · contribs 06:18, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation. The 1994/1996/2006 was confusing, but I follow now. Interesting reading. -- Gogo Dodo 06:30, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] embryo drawings

Pengo, you might be interested in the new version of embryo drawings, written as a term paper by a student in the class I'm the assistant for. It could used some attention from experienced Wikipedians (I'll get around to it sooner or later if no one else does), but it's a huge improvement over the previous unreferenced version; if anything, it could use some trimming down now.--ragesoss 08:08, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] functional extinction

Hi. Thank you for taking the efforts to do the research. I'm just wondering, is there a reason why you didn't add to the extinction page? I think it belongs there. Xiner 02:33, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Simply because it's easier to read, expand and link to as a separate article. —Pengo talk · contribs 02:35, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your work on Baiji

The Original Barnstar
Thanks for your work on Baiji. Keep it up. Xiner 02:07, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Conservation status

This is excellent. My thanks and congratulations for a job well done. Hesperian 04:18, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

That was just a test. :) I've changed it now so you don't need to manually include the image either. See this. There might still be some minor bugs to work out before I start working on the NatureServe categories too. I hope Banksia brownii benefits from the main page exposure it's about to get. Let me know if there's any concerns with the status how it is too. —Pengo talk · contribs 06:50, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Even better!... except for the comma. I wonder if the comma can be omitted, and the template set to automatically add the comma whenever status_ref is not blank. Hesperian 11:46, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi Pengo. I have taken the liberty of redrawing the conservation status info graphic I found on the Dodo page as SVG in Inkscape. The original file was Status_EX.JPG. I uploaded Status_EX.svg, Status_EW.svg, Status_CR.svg, Status_EN, Status_VU.svg, Status_NT, and Status_LC. Would be nice if they could replace the original JPGs, as these have bad pixel artifacts and SVGs are rendered rather nicely in Wikipedia. Regards, Zapyon 14:01, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Possible/possibly

The caption for the image on the side at [8] is "All possibly categories" instead of, I think, "All possible categories", but I can't figure out how to edit it, being rather a novice at wikipedia. An extremely minor typo, but I figured I'd bring it to your attention. Personamb 06:55, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for point this out. Someone's fixed it now.
If you're interested in why you couldn't find it.. it's because it was hidden in a template (commons:Template:Pengo EPBC) on Commons. When you edit a page there's a list of templates under the edit box... you can click on them to see what they contain.. but, to further complicate things, when you're editing a commons images, you may (or may not) have to go to the commons page of the image to see the description text. Anyway, if all that's too confusing.. don't worry, you probably won't have to deal with it. ciao. —Pengo talk · contribs 10:52, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Forgive my nosiness; your talk page remains on my watchlist, so I noticed the above, and took the liberty of fixing it. Hesperian 10:59, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
I just noticed as I was saving my comment that it might be the case :) Thanks —Pengo talk · contribs 11:00, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project Interwiki

Hi, I believe the WP Taxoboxes can generate allot of interest in the wikispecies project. The project is undergoing an exciting revamp and I've proposed for a WP article to be featured on the WS main page on a weekly basis. I see you're a native of WP:TX, I propose to include a link to the WS article in all relevant Taxoboxes, essentially serving the same function as {{Commons}}. Perhaps the box can even be headed "WikiSpecies", for a few months so as to give us a wider editorial and bigger readership and generate media interest. I also propose for all the images in the boxes to be embedded with {{click}} leading to the image in WC, so as to generate interest in Wikicommons too. es.Wikipedia has already disallowed uploading images on their Wikipedia. PLease let me know. Cheers. frummer 18:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like what you really want is to add a Wikispecies link into the taxobox. I believe this has previously been discussed and declined. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:26, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
As UtherSRG said, when it was last discussed there was no consensus to add the link to taxobox, and no external links have been added yet to taxoboxes (as they have for company and film infoboxes). The best place to discuss it, however, would be Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life or Template talk:Taxobox. —Pengo talk · contribs 22:26, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
as you said other taxoboxes have external links to none wikimedia project sites, so i think wikispecies deserves some promotion from her big sister otherwise the link on the homepage to WS is nothing but false boasting of a "sisterhood" that doesn't exist. Also WS has {{commons}} Would you support it if I brought it up? frummer 01:54, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
My main issue is that I don't know what Wikispecies actually offers above a simple Wikipedia article. —Pengo talk · contribs 15:11, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Conservation status field question

Hi Pengo,

A quick question (or three), as I can't find the relevant documentation, and don't want to dig through the taxobox code.

Can I, should I, and how do I, use the taxobox conservation status field to signify that Banksia rosserae is a "Priority One" taxa under the Wildlife Conservation Act 1950?

Cheers,

Hesperian 11:26, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

There's nothing for the WCA 1950 in the taxobox right now, but that can be fixed. Adding it would be appropriate for this species as it only exists in WA so the Act would be covering the "global" population of it (i'm not sure if the act considers whether a species is threatened globally or only within WA(?)). Actually, it appears the status of "Priority 1" is not something within that act (the word "priority" does not appear in the act), but it appears to be something assigned in the "Declared Rare and Priority Flora List" which is published by the Department of Environment and Conservation (Western Australia) [9].. The WCA act has only one category and that's "rare" -- and the article on Banksia rosserae even says it's not listed as "rare and endangered" under the act. So...
I'd like to add WA's Wildlife Conservation Act 1950 as an status_system for the taxobox, but.. umm.. ok well i've worked it all out now. cool. so i'll do it sometime soon. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. —Pengo talk · contribs 00:16, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Does a similar priority list exist for fauna in WA? —Pengo talk · contribs 01:07, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I've had a look into it, and cleared up my misunderstanding.

The WCA 1950 empowered the Minister to declare plants to be "rare flora" for the purposes of the Act, which means that the various legislative measures would apply to those flora. The DEC then rolled out a system of "Conservation Codes for Western Australian Flora" that includes six levels:

  • R: Declared Rare Flora - Extant Taxa
  • X: Declared Rare Flora - Presumed Extinct Taxa
  • P1: Priority One - Poorly Known Taxa
  • P2: Priority Two - Poorly Known Taxa
  • P3: Priority Three - Poorly Known Taxa
  • P4: Priority Four - Rare Taxa

Only the first two of these have been declared rare by the minister, and hence accorded legislative protection under the WCA. The others are used by the DEC, the Western Australian Herbarium, Nuytsia, etc., but have no legislative authority.

Leave it with me for a while; I'll have a think about it, maybe write an article on the Conservation Codes for Western Australian Flora system, and get back to you. My initial view is that the taxobox ought not list a taxon's conservation status if that status has no legislative authority.

The WCA takes a rather different approach to fauna:

"Except to the extent which the Minister declares by notice published in the Government Gazette pursuant to the provisions of this section all fauna is wholly protected throughout the whole of the State at all times."

However, the Act permits the Minister to declare an animal to be "Specially Protected Fauna" under one of four categories:

  • "fauna that is rare or likely to become extinct";
  • "fauna that is presumed to be extinct";
  • "birds that are subject to an agreement between the governments of Australia and Japan relating to the protection of migratory birds and birds in danger of extinction";
  • fauna that is in need of special protection, otherwise than for the reasons mentioned".

As far as I know the DEC hasn't developed its own system to reflect this. Hesperian 00:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Writing an article on it would be really excellent. I don't see a problem with the authorities not having legislative authority (there's nothing legally binding about IUCN Red List categories). Also I noticed that all the "declared rare" banksia species are also listed under the EPBC with various levels of threatenedness. Are WA's rare species automatically protected under the EPBC Act (or some other sort of correlation)? —Pengo talk · contribs 00:55, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't think its automatic, and I daresay a careful check of the two lists would turn up at least some discrepancies. e.g. a species with a large, secure, main population in South Australia, and a small, threatened, outlying population in Western Australia, might be considered rare and threatened in Western Australia but not in Australia as a whole. Hesperian 01:10, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hacker/Cracker fix

Thx10e6; could you also handle the talk page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Abb3w (talk • contribs) 22:20, 14 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] What links here noise

Some of your pages are causing too much "What links here" noise. It is standard wiki format not to use scientific names for species. Please explain why have you made pages with so many links. Snowman 16:54, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

For my own reference. I consider it a bug of Mediawiki that links from userspace cannot be hidden. —Pengo talk · contribs 21:04, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
If you make your links like this "Parrot - Wikipedia" they will not make a noise. Snowman 21:12, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
But then i can't tell if the page exists without clicking it, and can't use "related changes". —Pengo talk · contribs 21:31, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Could you write perl programe? -e filename can test to see if a file name exists. Snowman 00:45, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Get real. The problem lies with the wikipedia's software. I'm not the first to inadvertently "spam" the "what links here" pages and i wont be the last. Wikipedia/mediawiki needs to allow (and should default to) filtering. —Pengo 14:55, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Latin name

Having seen your User:Pengo/Latin subpage, I wonder if your could help me on finding the meaning of Chrysiridia rhipheus. It would be even better if you would teach me how to do it myself.Pro bug catcher 03:57, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I started that page in a hope that people would add more speciesish Latin entries to Wiktionary (it hasn't really happened yet). I know of no systematic way to find out what the Latin means, and the best I've been able to come up with is searching Google with, for example, Chrysiridia latin, and hoping one of those blurbs has the answer. It didn't work for that example, but a search for Urania latin tells me Urania means "heavenly", although the Wiktionary entry would have more-or-less told you that too. You can also try online Latin-English dictionaries (rarely successful). So basically, my (not so helpful) answer is to encourage people with understanding of Latin to contribute to Wiktionary.. or ask on the science help desk. —Pengo 11:48, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
There's a book: Plant Names Explained by William Stern. KP Botany has a copy and may be willing to help. Hesperian 12:10, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Ok, well thanks to both of you. I also know a Dictionary of Botanical epthets, which is good for lots of plant names. Pro bug catcher 13:28, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
I would recommend two great books that are considered standard references: Botanical Latin by W.T. Stearn (fourth edition, published 1992, reprinted by Timber Press 1996) and R.W. Brown's "Composition of Scientific Words" (revised edition, 1956, reprinted by Smithsonian Books). MrDarwin 13:47, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure which ones I have and how much time I have, but I'll look and see when I can help. Stearn is great, though, very thorough in his research. I'll try to remember to look Chrysiridia rhipheus up. I think the Latin in the Wiktionary is a good idea, as I just realized we can include plants without articles, so it's easier. Still, I've started a big new research project and just may not have the time--someone keep me updated now and then. California natives can be found in one on-line site, also. KP Botany 02:35, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Billy Campbell AfD

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Please reconsider your vote Eulogy4Afriend 18:10, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request to restore hacker semi-protection made

See linky. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Abb3w (talk • contribs) 03:56, 3 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] New article

Dear Pengo Your name came up at Special:What links here when I was checking this: Santalum album. Needs a lot of work if you are interested. – Fred 10:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Linux

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[edit] Fuzzy Zoeller edit controversy

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[edit] Happy Spread-the-funny and-slighty-random-love day!

:) pschemp (talk) 00:20, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Civility

With regards to your comments on Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Autograph books: Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Metros232 02:26, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, and this is out of line. Jet123 seems to have nominated themselves in good faith, and since there's no chance of success, taunting the candidate like that isn't a good idea. Humour can be a bit of fun sometimes, but it's not good at the expense of other users. --Deskana (talk) 10:38, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
yeah that was a bit rude. —Pengo 10:44, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] You might want to...

Archive this. You've got over 90 sections. Just an opinion... --ASDFGHJKL=Greatest Person Ever+Coolest Person Ever 22:38, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Careful

Check your browser... I imagine you didn't want to do this... Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 00:49, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Oops, just noticed it myself. thanks —Pengo 00:53, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Lifezones Pengo.svg
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[edit] Happy Birthday!

Happy Birthday from the Birthday Committee

Wishing Pengo/archive 4 a very happy birthday on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee!

Don't forget to save us all a piece of cake!

> Kamope < 00:54, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

How depressing. All I wanted for my birthday was a [wiki article about the] fistulated cow but alas. —Pengo 01:10, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
The Wikipedia Birthday Committee wishes you a very happy birthday! Enjoy your special day.

--Paloma Walker 05:05, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Species microformat

Hi, Have you had chance to look at the proposed sepcies microforamt? Your comments would be appreciated. Andy Mabbett 22:19, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I've left some comments on it already, but I'm no taxonomist really. Thanks. —Pengo 16:22, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Life zone diagram

Really cool! Thanks for the great diagram... If only you'd done it about three years ago (and if only I had heard of Wikipedia at the time)... Guettarda 15:28, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the big ups. Now if only I had time to piece together an article about it. I'm still trying to understand the thing myself really. —Pengo 16:21, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
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