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This is a ridiculous article and needs to be removed from the database. It mixes up the traditional Persian wrestling ie Pahlavani with its traditional terms of Ustad, Pahlavan and Rustam with Indian traditional wrestling that surely must be different to the Iranian game.

This is an utterly ridiculous article. it lists wrestlers who belong to the WWF, a TV "entertainment" wrestling organization. Many of these supposed great wrestlers are not professional but are just actors. Kennethtennyson 05:10, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

I dont think so, i have read about Gama, Akram, Nasir Bholoo, they are all real.
secondly i think this article name is not suitable as the man who practices pehlwani is call pehlwan, this page enlists pehlwan so this aticle ahould be moved to pehlwan الثاقب (WiseSabre| talk) 06:53, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
Dude! Where did you actually "read" these articles? Look up the SHEIK, INoki, all of the other wrestlers on this list. The SHEIK belongs to the a wrestling entertainment organization. All of the matches that are here are "staged." Further, it is NPOV because it has statements like " the local hero who never gives up." along with other biased statements. When we think of wrestling, we think of Greco roman wrestling or judo which is at the olympics, or jujitsu which has competitions that are judged and not "staged" with a predetermined winner. You're talking about wrestlers who really did not do true competitive wrestling. Some of these guys are not even Pehlwans in the traditional sense but are "professional ie entertainment" wrestlers who happen to be Indian by ethnicity. I believe that the great singh is a WWF wrestler. Kennethtennyson 01:03, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Who is Sheikh?,wikipedia says Antonio Inoki (アントニオ猪木), real name Kanji Inoki (猪木寛至, born 20 February 1943) is a retired Japanese professional wrestler see Antonio Inoki, and Gama pehlwan he fought in UK and none of his match was staged.read his article


The great singh is not a wwe wrestler but anyways i'll take him off the list in any event.He's actually the father of the WWE wrestler you speak of.

secondly before you go and say anything about Antonio Inoki remember that the man is a pioneer of Mixed Martial Arts and the inventer/originator of shoot style wrestling which later on transitioned to shootfighting and the eventual martial arts boom.

and have'nt you seen the contribution of Masakatsu Funaki,Minoru Suzuki,Sotoro Sayayma,Antonio Inoki,Ad Santel,Ed Lewis,Kazushi Sakuraba,Nobuhiko Takada,Akira Maeda in Mixed Martial Arts (real fighting) ??? they were professional wrestlers too.......most of them disiples of antonio inoki learning from him at young age

worked as it may be the strength of professional wrestling or the pros should'nt be made a joke out of in this way

and the iron shiek was one of the elite in iraninan defence establishment,onetime guard of the shah of iran and an olympian (1972) ......... please get your facts right

also it would help if some detailed info regarding Karim Baksh,Rama Murti,Rahim Sultaniwala and Chandra Singh Mudaliwala .......... the historic greats

الثاقب (WiseSabre| talk) 16:23, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

look, you still do not get the point. Professional wrestlers are not true wrestlers. they don't compete in the traditional sense that people in greco roman wrestling compete. OF course these guys might have contributed to other forms of fighting and that most of these guys are big, but they are not true fighters. The great GAMA fought against people who were staging fights. Very few of his fights were real. If you actually lived in the US you would understand how ridiculous it is to include professional wrestlers on your list.Kennethtennyson 04:19, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
Soory, i don't know much about wrestling.الثاقب [[user:wisesabre|(WiseSabre|]] [[User_talk:wisesabre|talk)]] 14:56, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Is it just me, or does this page NOT EXPLAIN how the wrestling is performed? Slightly more concrete things like RULES might be article-worthy. I could be mis-interpreting the goal of wikipedia. Ich 02:33, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

The goal actually does vary from reigon to reigon, the general set of rules is given but in some areas the rules blend with the millenia old native martial arts of the reigon. In some parts kicks and choking with legs are allowed, in some parts no grappling below the waist are seen and other parts allow pinfalls (ranging from three to five or more) but no chokes. It's complicated, especially with India involved, which is diversity and vastness itslf. 59.94.96.53 21:30, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

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The paragraph below was written by an anonymous poster in the Wrestling article. If its content is useful, use it in this article. Shawnc 05:19, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

(**Actually "Pahlewani" is a kind of Iranian traditional wrestling style but not Indian at all, and the word means "pertaining to champions, or rather heroes". What's more, the word is Persian and this style dates back to some 2500 years ago (to Zoroastorians era or before). To do this style there are lots of Iranian traditional clubs, called "Zoorkhaneh" _ an old kind of gym_ in which you will find a pit (Gode) for the sportsmen to do special exercises with traditional tools _Meel, Kabbadeh, Takhte-Shena just to name a few and around the pit a row or rows of seats for the enthusiastic audience. There is a highly respected man (Morshed, means master) next to the pit who sits on a chair, he plays a kind of drum, which is put on his lap, and some small bells hanging around him and sings songs about religious figures and old well-known sportsmen to conduct and encourage the sportsmen in the pit (Gode). In some national occasions wrestling competiotions are held with some extra related sports activities to entertain the audience. Originally it has got strong cultural and religious aspects which are considered very respectful among Iranian nation. )

[edit] Rare photos of Maratha wrestler

Maratha I have good photos of Maratha wrestlers and i am willing to give it for free on wikipedia but i just cant embedded it in . anybody intrested plese contact me at Vishal1976



[edit] Indian wrestling

It's already been pointed out on this page many times but I'm going to say it again so someone will take notice. Pehlwani is Persian and NOT Indian. The Mughals brought it over and it got mixed with the local forms of wrestling. I don't know what is the difference between traditional pehlwani and the Indian version but both are noticably different from traditional Indian wrestling. I presume that the confusion came up because the word pehlwan was absorbed into Hindi so many wrestlers are called pehlwans even if they just fight WWE style. But pehlwan doesn't necessarily mean wrestler, it could also be used for any fighter. A separate article about Indian wrestling could use the pictures and some of the information from this article but there are still a lot of corrections to be made.

That wouldn't actually work because this article is about the Indian form of Pehlwani just like Brazilian Jiu-jitsu. I do think that the history section focuses too much on Malla Yuddha instead of Pehlwani. Someone ought to fix that.-Morinae 14:07, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] mullayuddha is disputed

No where will you find that mulla yuddha is written as a true wrestling martial art. It was taken from an e-mail to a website and one user (freedom skies) has unfortunately stretched it to claim that mulla yuddha came from the religious epics with Bhima practicing mulla yuddha. Alter in his book writes that mullayuddha is a generic term for wrestling. Kennethtennyson 00:53, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] to vishal or whoever is behind an indian name

first of all, to vishal1947, you oughta be ashamed of your existence you piece of shit, disrespecting your own race, Traitor! because I know what you wrote about your own race before just cause' of wrestling, listen you bastard oh yes cause' it's not Us Indians who are bastards but it's bastards like You who make us look bad. And as a response to Mr. Kennethtennyson, mallayuddha is in fact Indian. it dates back to the Vedic times of which about you may have had studies about as you claimed, you know during the times of Mahabharata, one of major parts of Indian history.

[edit] Finaly the Truth from Maratha -- Vishal1976

I have posted many images of Hindu / Arya /Indian wrestlers but just got time to read this rediculious discussion about this very article and i want to show , point out the realites about the wrestling and ground leval facts. But important i don't want to insult any one , specially the creator of this article but just want to show the truth. 2) The objection that the WWF wrestling in the world is fake , circus and not worthy to call as real wrestling and those who perform it as wrestler. Yess. I do agree. I have seen those WWF entertienment on cable TV sINCE 1992 and from the begining i was desliking to this Americanus beggares play. But in reality in my surrounding i have observerd great wrestlers and seen how much respect our Maratha society gives to these wrestlers.The traditional Maratha wrestling and wrestler has many sides and aspects , i will discuss it later but any way one can understand it if he is clever.Allthough these Indian wrestler are not successful in international competations such as Olympics , But if you see the ecomomic and weather conditions of India you may find the answer.In our Maratha society wrestiling is a good social title and way of life such as Docters and other professionals. I use to workout and do exircise when i was in school and college and aimes to earn great body. I never exirsised in traditional Indian mud wrestling gym but in western kind of modern gym and before that some traditional exirsises and other like cricket , boxind etc. I am owner of good body and realy have loved and perpormed workouts so i belive that i have right to say somthing about wrestling. 3) As we can see now that the western world is now accepting the importance of Ayurveda and othe Aryan traditions and properties so in neare feature this Aryan art may see good days ans enriche the humanity.

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