Talk:Peace of Toruń (1466)
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[edit] Old talk
The article have to be at the historical name. In English, this is the most common. -- Nico 21:34, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)
The city name was and is Torun, not Thorn (this is a 19th century German name of a Polish city) -- CC 22:28, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)
The name was Thorn, the city was even founded by Germans. And the English name on the treaty is "Second Treaty of Thorn". Try a Google search. Nico 22:31, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I have reluctantly protected this page: if this upsets CC, Taw, and 24.2, all I can say is that the edit war seemed to be escalating, and I decided I would protect whatever form the page was in when I got there: it happened to be most recently edited by Nico. Hopefully the community can come to a decision regarding how we are to refer to these locations in Poland--until that happens, perhaps we should all take a breather and add useful content to WP somewhere else entirely. I know working on new articles always calms me down. Hopefully we can work this out soon...Jwrosenzweig 22:37, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Well, i guess best thing would be creating pages "Treaty of Thorn" and "Treaty of Torun" and then see which page will attract more viewings. Is that possible in wikipedia? szopen
The city name is Torun (historical and modern), and this city witnessed a peace congress in 1466. The city was later Germanised to Thorn, but there is no reason why we should use this 19th century city name to this historical event.
The peace treaty was written in Latin, and it used the name of Thorun several times, reflecting its medieval spelling. The original is still preserved and I have seen a copy of it myself. There is no reason why we should use a 19th century German name for the Polish city of Toruń. Modern spelling is Toruń, and it is a real city in Poland. Modern spelling should be used here, so please move to Second Treaty of Torun.
[edit] 1466 Second Treaty of Thorn
[edit] 1525 Treaty of Krakow
Casimir IV was put under ban for his attempt to illegally annex Prussia and the 1466 agreements and the 1525 agreements were neither authorized nore recognized by the HRE emperors, nore the popes, who had recorded supreme overlordship of Prussia with the Golden Bulls of Rimini and Rieti.
- 1) Casimir was put under ban? By whom? By emperor, whom he had considered his equal and who has no authority over him?
- 2) Attempt to illegally annex Prussia? He was invited by Prussia burghers and gentry for annexing, and anyway Teutons hold it illegally since IIRC all or almost all earlier trials ordered TO to return Gdansk to Poland!
- 3) Pope had not confirmed it, so what: did you read why they need confimration? It was said something in sense: "pope's confimration is not needed, but will be seeked for ensuring lsating peace", I could search for exact Dlugosz quote if you want.
- So, your quote does not add anything: it tries to suggest, that Casimir was subject to emperor, it tries to suggest that pope's confirmation was needed, and that annexation was illegal, all three of which are not true.
Szopen 08:02, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Cut and Paste move, title of article
I've reverted the cut and paste move of this article to Second Treaty of Torun. If you think it should be moved, get someone to delete Second Treaty of Torun or move it somewhere else (Treaty of Torun/Thorn (1466), or some such, would be a good location), and then move the article there. Cut and paste moves are just wrong, and Space Cadet has been around long enough to know that.
On the substantive matter, Second Treaty of Thorn is more commonly used in English. There are about three times as many hits on google for "Treaty of Thorn" as there are for "Treaty of Torun". john k 16:41, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Pope and treaty
Really did pope recognized the treaty? In all history books ive read he didn't even though papal legate was a mediator. Not that this is VERY relevant, since both sides agreed that his (pope's) confirmation is not needed but only would be welcomed... I am even not sure whether pope take back the curse from the Prussian confederation Szopen 10:22, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
[edit] NPOV
If anybody thinks this article is POVed, or would like to explain why the de-Wiki version is better, please do so here. Otherwise I see no reason for the NPOV tag or the bizzare 'see better article on de-Wiki' note to remain in the article.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 00:08, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
