Talk:Peace camp

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Contents 1 Vandalism 2 Civil discbedience 3 Do we need this article? 4 Name

[edit] Vandalism

68.232.240.214 has vandalised this wiki with his or her political opinions that violate the impartiality of Wikipedia. --Scuiqui fox 19:18, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Civil discbedience

Peace camps are not necessarily civil disobedience, and certainly should not be defined as such. --SqueakBox 18:26, Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Do we need this article?

Isn't it obvious what a peace camp is? Perhaps a category is justified, but it seems like the article struggles to do anything but provide a list of peace camps. --Habap 13:25, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Disagree strongly. This article may need expanding. It is not obvuious at all what a peace camp, especially as in Israel the term means something very different. is nor is this article merely a description of peace camps. Peace camps and the peace camp movement is clearly notable enough for an article (a part of British and political social history and this article just needs improving. I see you are a part of the Wiki militaryu history project. This is a part of the history of the military in the UK whether you like it or agree with its sentinments or not, and to try to suppress it would be nothing more than an attempt to POV the encyclopedia as aprop-military project, something it clearly is not, SqueakBox 14:37, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Just because I am a member of the military history project doesn't mean I can't remain NPOV. If you spend some time reviewing my work on Cindy Sheehan and the Bring Them Home Now Tour, I think you'll find that I keep my personal views out of the articles themselves. If I'd been trying to "suppress it" as part of a right-wing conspiracy, I certainly would have skipped the step of asking whether the article was needed and would have pushed it right into AfD.

I know next to nothing about peace camps and the article, as written, does not expand my knowledge enough to make me think that there's anything notable enough about peace camps to separate it from articles on peace movements. Unless the article gets expanded such that it provides more knowledge than just a listing of peace camps, then eventually it will get posted to AfD - not because of my beliefs (see WP:AGF) --Habap 22:43, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Well I am quite happy to collaborate with you on making this a better article but I won't if you just make threats. You asked if we needed the article and I say absolutely. Is it a good article? No, so lets make it better. if you are just looking for articles to whack an Afd on you can do better than tp pick on this one. To assume good faith people have to act with it as well and all this talk of an Afd is not good faith and certainly not conducive to a collaborative spirit. Anyway I have expanded it and will do so some more as time permits. I am glad you have made contributions to other peace movement issues. Please remeber this is not a US but an internationally based encyclopedia as the core of the article is about the peace movement outside the US. I hope the article now gives you more of an idea of what peace camps are and why they existed in the UK in the eighties. It is a much better article than when you found it this morning, SqueakBox 23:51, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

I concur, the article is far better than it was. I will put a notice on the Talk:Cindy Sheehan requesting that folks come and look over this article in hopes of improving it.

Squeak, in your first reply, you accused me of attempting to suppress the article because you saw I was in the Wikiproject Military History. This doesn't sound like something someone does while assuming good faith. I pointed out that if suppression were my goal, I would have AfD'd it. Instead, I wondered aloud if there were enough information to warrant an article. Not being a deletionist, I tend to support inclusion of articles that merit it.

Dictionary.com contains a definition for camp that is common in political science, the way that Israeli peace camp uses it:

4. A group of people who think alike or share a cause; side: The council members disagreed, falling into liberal and conservative camps.

Peace camp as a physical camp is a less common use of the term and of recent vintage.--Habap 15:00, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Sounds to me like dictionary.com is either at fault or more likely showing an ignorance of British culture bias, certainly in the UK the word peace camp in terms of an Israeli peace faction is virtually unheard of whereas thanks to Greenham Common the use of the word in connection with people living outside bases is absolutely the common usage term as this was something everyone knew about in the mid-eighties. While many younger UK people probably dont know what the word means at all those in their late twenties or older will associate this word with the content of this article, and indeed the article in the external links source this, and thus for Britishpeople the dictionary.com definition is clearly wrong, SqueakBox 16:24, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name

I am thinking of changing the article to Protest camp then it could include the road camp movement, including coverage of Fairford (Swampyetc) and of this. Any objections? SqueakBox 14:07, 6 February 2006 (UTC)