Talk:Pavlo Skoropadsky

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Is "Ukrainian People's Republic" really a better translation than "Ukrainian National Republic"? "Nation" and"[a] people" [as opposed to "some people"] both seem to be equally synonymous with "narid" to me. The dictionary definitions of nation and people refer to each other, but nation has more of a government/politics connotation, and people also has other meanings. So "nation" seems more expedient because it is less ambigous, more widely used in this sense today, and conveniently corresponds to the initials UNR. On the other hand, People's Republic does have a more socialist or communist feel, which is appropriate, but brings to mind extreme communist states like China (PRC).

Also, would it be more appropriate to transliterate the name of the Ukrainian State from the Ukrainian as Ukrayinska Derzhava, instead of the Russian Ukrainskaya Derzhava? From reading Subtelny's history I realize that the state's administration would likely have conducted business in Russian, but the subject concerns the Ukrainian nation. I don't know which is best. —Michael Z. 2005-06-4 07:01 Z

I think "people's" is better to use. In the context of the time, it is more likely to be the meaning implied by the founders, i.e. they meant "Narodna Respublika Ukrayiny" more likely than "Respublika Ukrayins'kogo Narodu". I agree that "Ukrains'ka Derzhava" is more fitting than "Ukrainskaya". Cheers, -Irpen 20:00, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

Re: People's or National. I think that the analogy with the People's Republic of China perfectly works. UNR was "conceived" by socialists (e.g., Hrushevsky was SR and Vynnychenko was quite close to communists) and was supposed to be a socialist state. Also, I am somewhat concerned that the article puts Hetmanat too much in the context of the Russian Civil War. Sashazlv 23:02, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)