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[edit] Hi, Pat

Hi, Pat,

I did work on Jade Esteban Estrada at my university and know a great deal about his work. I was done with further contributions. If you feel any of it in inappropriate, let me know. However all of it is accurate and researched.

Happy Holidays and thanks for writing. You job is a vast one. :) Gret —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.174.181.96 (talk) 05:58, 12 December 2006 (UTC).

Ah, thanks for the info. Yes, that helps. You can understand our trepidation, I guess. It's not a problem to add the information to a few artices. It probably wasn't appropriate in Naomi (Bible), because of undue weight given to a character in one movie (that's just my haughty opinion; others might disagree if you bring it up on the talk page). I'm not sure about the other pages; perhaps you want to make a mention on those talk pages too. Thanks for getting back. Patstuarttalk|edits 13:07, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User page

Deleted and moved. Take care -- Samir धर्म 08:13, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome

Thanks for your Welcome. I'm a registered user; my User page is User:Hoshie. Thanks again. I do minor stuff anonymously. For the big stuff, I log-in. 24.25.42.125 21:26, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia talk:Revised vandalism warning system

Hi Patstuart, as a vandal-fighter I thought you might be interested in seeing this discussion. Regards, Accurizer 22:17, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Per my talk

I'm sorry you felt that way and I hope you change your opinion in the future. While a lot of my edits have involved support of Israel of course in conflict related articles, I feel that I also contributed in many non conflict articles about Israel and other issues like footballers and it's not just "one purpose" which sounds offensive to me. Anyway, I hope you'll feel better of me at some point or another. Cheers, Amoruso 11:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Ah. Thanks for your response. You are completely correct; I pushed too hard in this situation, and I should have, at least, said something to your talk page first. I am sorry, I was too quick to judge; I can only ask your forgiveness for this offense. I hope you can continue to be a good editor for Wikipedia. Patstuarttalk|edits 18:41, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
No problem, thanks for this, you had a right to say what you thought but if I decide to stay with wikipedia I will try to work to change negative impressions in the future. Amoruso 10:43, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request comments

Hi, Pat. Please check out the recent changes made by new user Pmgomez to the Xavier School article if you can. There's a lot of non-NPOV content and boosterism. Thanks in advance. Rmcsamson 16:21, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I gtg, so I'm not sure if I can help, but if I come back: do you have any specific examples? There's a large section of text being changed all at once. BTW, if he reverts again, report to WP:AN/3RR, as he's been warned. -Patstuarttalk|edits 16:24, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Reversions for Xavier School article

Hi, Pat.

Thank you for your message. Please note that I did the third revert today then Rmcsamson reverted the third revert -- thus, violating the three-revert rule. Since this was the case, I deem that it was necessary to still maintain the integrity of the article as it reflects on the institution I belong to. As provided in the reversion note, I ask for a detailed explanation of the changes made on the article's talk page.

If you may note, I've generally revamped the whole article such that it may be at par with those of other institutions -- and what Wikipedia articles should look like based on the provided guidelines. I understand that Rmcsamson has been keeping watch of this and other pages but little has he done to improve its quality. Loss of valid and authentic updates happened due to his clumsy reversions and edits. This is of course forgivable as we all commit errors.

And yes, I don't believe in edit wars. As mentioned above, I only seek to maintain its quality.

Cheers and thanks.

Best,

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pmgomez (talk • contribs) 16:22, 13 December 2006 (UTC).

Thanks for getting back. Here's the thing: in a content dispute, one side always thinks they're protecting the value of the encyclopedia. But violating 3RR is not acceptable except in clear cut cases, and this is most certainly not clear cut. If you have any issues with the page, I suggest taking it to the talk page. It takes longer than just adding it, but using brute force accomplishes little, and only gets people upset and blocked. Talking out an issue, and stating reasoning usually can bring out why one side doesn't like a specific addition or removal. -Patstuarttalk|edits 16:27, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks too. I've clearly asked that Rmcsamson provide a detailed explanation on the reversions -- to no avail. As previously mentioned, it was Rmcsamson who first violated the 3RR. Rest assured, I will strictly follow 3RR. Pmgomez 16:34, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
you're right, he did, and that's a real shame. If he does it again, please report to WP:AN/3RR. And talk page discussions can't just be a quick, two-word-and-it's-over-thing - you have to persevere at them (trust me on this one), as well as have an accomodating attitude. -Patstuarttalk|edits 16:37, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Update: Rmcsamson and I are currently collaborating on bringing the best out of this article. Our efforts shall be documented in the article's talk page. Thanks! Pmgomez 17:08, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Glad to hear it! I had a gut feeling this might be an instance where one side had something valuable to add to the article, but everyone was talking over each other (I've seen that happen a lot). -Patstuarttalk|edits 17:21, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] face333

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Kaisershatner 19:15, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

As a non-admin, I can't. -Patstuarttalk|edits 19:18, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
LOL, sorry I'm an idiot. I did block that acct indefinitely, for just that reason. That's what the edit above would show if you could see it. Cheers, Kaisershatner 19:20, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested to Review

There is nothing wrong with others. It's all wrong with Indian Wikipedia Administrators who have been given rights to modify contents for well purpose of wikipedia. But so sad that though a lot of evidence appears about ankit fadia on internet as well as on this same wikipedia page, you peoples are doing arguements to find reasons. I saw various edits from all you three admins and sent a mail to HO Wikipedia with the contents that you reported to be wrong. You want to know who is using this IP? They are all the members of all kalpesh sharma group sharing single IP. Do what you can, do this protest will not stop ? Because peoples of country are being saved. nothing is being done wrong by saying the fact and truth about ankit fadia. You are all three discussing and finding about various reasons to anyway edit ankit fadia contents to what it was and don't want peoples to see the right thing. This is a challenge that if you find any content edited in ankit fadia wiki which is wrong, then come out and debate ?

Wikipedia is a reputed name for reputed peoples. Not for Ankit Fadia. If one or two or three articles were wrongly edited, we all might have not edited so many pages. but you are trying to specify that all the content edited about ankit fadia is wrong. Only you peoples are right ? All others are wrong is that what you mean. Then accept our challenge.

one more thing utcarsch, if you think what you mentioned above is right then you are wrong. Mr. Kalpesh always goes with evidence and proofs and that too right in front of eyes instead of barking on wikipedia like ankit fadia's article. As concerns to reputation how can you claim that this editing on wikipedia is because of media publicity. The pages on wikipedia have been edited by our group only from last 15 20 days, whereas ankit fadia's reputation is on net in the first thirty searches of google. First clear your concept and then speak. Go and view the logs of all the pages and urls that are posted in the article written on gather.com by kalpesh sharma itself. —The preceding comment is by 59.95.201.18 (talk • contribs) : Please sign your posts!

I'm afraid you've made a terrible mistake; I've never edited or even seen this page in my life. However, from your statement, I can't even figure out what your specific complaint is. -Patstuarttalk|edits 14:00, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Dear Patstuart, you had declined the request for creation of Kalpesh Sharma article at Wikipedia:Articles for creation/2006-12-12#Kalpesh_Sharma. You're won't be bothered, but in case you are, you might find this useful. utcursch | talk 14:59, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
As you can clearly see, this is an ongoing discussion, and the article has been deleted many times. Please take it up at deletion review, and state your facts there precisely; continuing to talk to individuals, messaging Jimbo, and going on WP:AN won't help anything, as you're not using the proper processes. If you go to deletion review, you will at least stand a chance. -Patstuarttalk|edits 14:32, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kalpesh Sharma

Please see this link where I found your message

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_Talk:Kalpesh_Sharma

Please tell me what to do on deletion review page. I have not used wikipedia so much and do not have so much idea. So, due to this many administrators are gtting trouble and even I am getting trouble from many of them. I am an Information Security Expert and if some one says that hack a website, I can hack 100's at a time. Bt no idea of how this wikipedia policies works. So, I request you to kindly help me to create the above page. I have all references ready which are from reliable sources

Well, go to WP:DRV, and there are instructions there under the "Instructions" section. Please state your reasoning, and read up on WP:BIO about why the subject is notable. You provided several links on other pages; I encourage you to provide the same links. However, I also encourage you to try to be precise, as long explanations don't help when a shorter explanation would give the same results. Also, if the deletion review fails, there's not much you can do unless you can find some new evidence of notability. If you think someone else has the upper hand on you, then nominate their article for deletion (see WP:AFD); but if this person has more media notability than yourself, then they are more worthy of an article, and that's just the way it works. Wikipedia is not an advertising service, nor is it a collection of all information that exists. -Patstuarttalk|edits 14:37, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your posts on AN/I

Considering your pages say youre on Wikibreak, you are making a rather a lot of edits on AN/I. Also since you are not an administrator, why do you feel compelled to offer your opinion on whether editors should be blocked or not in each and every case?--Light current 16:54, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for butting in, but this question is slightly rude, in my opinion. Any editors who have something relevant to add to a discussion at AN/I are welcome to do so. The page specifically says "any user may post here". Ned Wilbury 17:53, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
For my own part, I suppose that only those editors who are well versed in our policies are welcome on WP:ANI. This edit reveals ignorance of our fundamental policies, such as WP:VANDAL. --Ghirla -трёп- 17:58, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
To Light current: I'm sorry to see that I've made your list of grudges on this encyclopedia. However, as I can tell, it's getting pretty long at the moment; I'm not sure I could count on one hand or even two the amount of administrators and users whom you seem to have it out for. Instead of holding grudges every time you get blocked for incivility, maybe you could learn to live and let live.
To Ghirlandajo, I have as much right as you do to comment on AN/I. And for that matter, other people agreed with me on this specific issue. If you disagree with my point, please explain why, as I clearly thought the administrator was out of bounds.
Otherwise, guys, I have to be blunt, I have every right to comment on the noticeboards, and it isn't any of your business to tell me I don't; so please don't. If you have any constructive criticism, go for it. -Patstuarttalk|edits 00:04, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Did I say I had a grudge? I was just wondering how you felt confident and knowledgeable enough to comment on each and every incident on WP:AN/I 8-)--Light current 01:16, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
(Patstuart, please pardon me responding to someone else on your talk page. I don't mean to presume anything. Feel free to move/remove this as you see fit.) Light current, I got the impression from Patstuart's post above that he was ok with constructive criticism but felt your original question was a bit out of line, here. Maybe you got a different impression. A reading of the words you used indicates a certain aggressiveness, to me, and Patstuart did not appear to appreciate it. So, upon reading his response, instead of thinking to yourself "Ooops! My comments might not have been wise" and dropping the matter, you responded the way you did? Your clarification has a completely different tone than your first message and you seem to be denying that your first message said what it said. What you're done here is a little bit like coming into someone's house and saying "Hey, you, stop being a jerk!" Then, the homeowner says "What? When was I a jerk to you?" and you reply "Whatever do you mean? I never SAID you were a jerk." Words have implied meaning, as well as literal meaning. I think you're not being very civil to Patstuart here, and I think it would be best if you just let this issue drop. Ned Wilbury 01:51, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
I do feel comfortable enough in my knowledge to post on WP:AN/I. I have over 15000 edits, which is many as most administrators. And, for the record, while your comments did seem a bit rude above, I'm willing to forget about it if you say you didn't mean them, just as I expect you would forget about comments I made at WP:AN/I in the past that you were unhappy about. -Patstuarttalk|edits 14:41, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
I have apologised to Pat on my talk page.--Light current 14:55, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{China-bio-stub}}

Please see my comment on Template talk:China-bio-stub. I appreciate your work. --Nlu (talk) 19:40, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NP

No problem bro, i don't even remember what you wrote. I am so accustomed to criticisms that i have stopped remembering single outburst and only remember more elonged conflicts. Although, I do try to do the best out of each situation. I'm just glad that the US army user left his message, a messaged that did not put me on the defensive.

So again, no worries and no problems, just give me another civil and inviting message if i turn insensitive and hopefully ill consider it appropriately :)

I appreciate your message, really. Peace! --Striver 00:02, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] King Edward Hotel (Jackson, MS, USA)

King Edward Hotel (Jackson, MS, USA) actually survived prod a couple of weeks ago, so I moved it to AfD. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/King Edward Hotel (Jackson, MS, USA). NickelShoe (Talk) 01:13, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comment....

First of all I have a right just as you to freedom of expression. Yes I probably shouldn't have put it in all caps or bold. What was said was facts, you may not think it is facts because it is against your religion. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Agill81 (talk • contribs).

No you don't, any more than I would have the right to plaster all over the article something stupid like "HOMOSEXUALS ARE ALL FAGGOTS WHO ARE GOING TO HELL" (not that I would do so). This is an encyclopedia. Please see WP:FREE, WP:NOT#ANARCHY, and stop fighting such an obvious case of vandalism, as this discussion is now becoming trolling. If you think I'm being unfair, you can post something on the administrator's noticeboard, where you will surely almost immediately be blocked. -Patstuarttalk|edits 14:25, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Google Hits

I thought you should know Montada means Forum in English. I did a google search for Forum and received a total of 1,360,000,000 hits. Food for thought. Alan.ca 10:38, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Responding on afd. -Patstuarttalk|edits 14:26, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Big problem here

Sarah Ewart has blocked 4 or more people who work or live at this hospital calling us all sokpuppets? So some of us can't use our user names anymore. Please look at the topics I just tried to contribute to; it looks like my associate, Canuckster, has been railroaded. 67.71.123.25 14:53, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I'll post this at WP:AN/I. Patstuarttalk|edits 14:57, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Short History; I think you'll agree there is no trolling going on.

1;There was an unprovoked and unfounded accusation by Sarah Ewart that Canuckster has an "anti-american agenda"[2] Canuck tried to remove the edit as being uncivil but Chacor reverted that [3]. Canuckster then asked Sarah to provide diffs supporting her accusation and she refused [4]to do that while repeating her accusation. Canuckster then tried to add a response to Sarah's second accusation but Chacor deleted his response[5].

Canuckster feels very strongly that the "anti-american agenda" accusation had/has no basis in fact and also is a potentially harmful public accusation against him considering the post 9/11 environment and his particular line of work (everyone here knows who Canuckster is). In trying to deal with only the "anti-american agenda" accusation he asked for mediation, Sarah refused, he then requested Arbitration. Meanwhile Chacor and other supporters of Sarah perceived Canuck's mediation and arbitration efforts as some kind of attack on Sarah so they did some kind of sokpuppet anaysis and said Canuckster is "probably" a sokpuppet and banned him. Then Chacor deleted the Arbitration request which seems improper to me as I have some professional experience with arbitration processes (I don't know how an arbitration request can be deleted by anyone other than the Arbitrator or their representative).

I have read all of Canuckster's contributions and although 1 or 2 were over the top there is nothing at all to support the anti-american agenda label so I understand why he does not want that to remain part of your public record.

This is an example of his article contributions[6] which Sarah Ewart deleted. She may feel the content was anti-american but I doubt many would agree with that assessment.

Is there a reason that "anti-american agenda" accusation has to stay; especially since Sarah refuses to support it with evidence? 70.50.78.34 20:21, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Nehpetskenawi

A closer check revealed that his account must have been "compromised" since its creation more than a week ago. Several days of vandalism. So it looks like a fair block to me. Dina 23:33, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Whatever you want to do. He didn't have too many creations anyway. If he really throws a fit and promises to change his password (e.g., there's some reason he really wants this account), it might be better to just unblock. But, in his case, it might just be easier to create another one. Patstuarttalk|edits 23:35, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Hmm. It definitely looks like two different people, but contributions for recent vandalism were right after his last good edit. User probably needs to be warned about logging out on public computers. Patstuarttalk|edits 23:36, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Thank you for acting honourably in the current 9/11 conspiracy theories renaming debate. You have supported my proposal because you are committed to upholding the spirit and policies of Wikipedia, even though you personally find my views and the article name I have suggested abhorrent. This demonstrates in you a considerable degree of personal integrity. Ireneshusband 23:37, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Why dont we focus on identifying individual points of objection at Talk:9/11_conspiracy_theories#Why_dont_the_Oppose_and_Agree_camps.3F instead of having long winded debates that cover 2 or 3 subjects The we we know everyones objections either way, we can work out a compromise on each point with a view to reaching a consensus. "Snorkel | Talk" 09:50, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank You for your comments on the Help Desk

Thank You for your comments on the Help Desk, But that Admin and my friend are still disputing and now my IP address is listed. Please I dont care if everything that I have put on tonight trying to protect my name and IP is delated, just so long as my IP address does not apear on this site.

This is the page in question that lead to tonights dispute:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection&action=edit&section=11

If you give me the Admin that did this I will be very happy to contact him and make my demand that my IP Address be delated, but in a more polite way then this, and if he wont delate it I ask you to delate it, or tell me what steps to take next if you lack the power.

Than you Patstuart

RJ Bussiere —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rjbussiere (talk • contribs) 04:11, 19 December 2006 (UTC).

Patstuart

How do I make sure that I dont run into the problem agian? I dont like to come out of my shall, and have to fight Admin's, Friends, and or others that violate my security and or cause me some grief. I prefare to stay in the backround

I would thank you for any advice. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rjbussiere (talk • contribs).

It looks like the page is now gone, so you don't have anything to worry about. I'm sorry, I can't comment more without knowing the situation. -Patstuarttalk|edits 16:49, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] United Islamic Organisation of Trinidad and Tobago

I think that the United Islamic Organisation of Trinidad and Tobago is notable, since about 6% of the population of Trinidad and Tobago is Moslem. As well, UIO was incorporated by a special act of the parliament of Trinidad and Tobago, which confers some distinction on the group. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 22:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I think you misunderstood my submission

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation/2006-12-20#Joseph_Carpenter_Quiner

You declined with the comments - "please see Wikipedia is not a directory of Genealogical entries. Please provide more substance on the character. Patstuarttalk|edits 19:17, 19 December 2006 (UTC)"

I did not assume Wikipedia was a Genealogical directory, but I did assume that notable persons would be included.

Joseph Carpenter Quiner was the brother of Caroline Ingalls (Laura Ingalls' (the author) mother). I assumed since he was linked with a notable personality it should be included in an ecyclopedia. I also assumed that since little is known of him that this entry would allow for additional information from others who may know.

I assumed this would fit wikipedia since it already carries entries for other relatives of Laura Ingalls. Especially since you already have his name listed in an article already but only have his birth and death dates and no other informaiton.

Thank you Michael

Well, I'll admit that it was some my personal interpretation of WP:BIO, however, this article simply mentioned the person's geneology, whereas the other articles mentioned more about the people Caroline Ingalls, Laura Ingalls (see Public Health Act of 1875 for a good example of a stub). Try resubmitting to WP:AFC. Patstuarttalk|edits 03:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Current revision

Thank you for experimenting with the page Mandolin on Wikipedia. Your test worked, and it has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Patstuart 21:14, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

What the heck? I never even looked at a page about Mandolins man LOL.

I really could care less if something about mandolins has been reverted or removed, and whats this about tests? I never tested anything LOL.

No I really dont want to learn about contributing to your encyclopedia, I'm far too lazy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.240.122.237 (talk • contribs).

Actually, the record says that you did 2.5 months ago; see [7] and [8]. Someone else using the same IP, no doubt. Patstuarttalk|edits 16:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Someone using my IP?

was I hacked or something?

Cause before today I didnt read anything about Mandolins.\

anyway sorry for wasting ya time.

have a good one —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.240.122.237 (talk • contribs).

Well, your computer could be hacked or a zombie computer, but more either the IP has changed in the past few months, or a family or friend made the changes. Don't worry about it - we see vandalism on this site all the time. Patstuarttalk|edits 18:24, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question

(comments removed) --Agill81 16:00, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I didn't call you that, I said that I wouldn't call you that because I think such epiteths are wrong. And I think you know that. There is no reason for two people to fight over something like this. Please stop; any more responses I will no longer respond to, as this is now clear WP:TROLL material. Patstuarttalk|edits 18:24, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation/Today#Joseph_Carpenter_Quiner

When you say 'read up on other biographies and try to expand' what do you mean?

Do you mean other articles related to this?

Mike

Just biographies in general. At the moment, his only claim to fame in the article is that he was the uncle of a famous author. That doesn't say much about his notability. I would suggest adding how being part of this family satisfies notability concerns. -Patstuarttalk|edits 20:26, 20 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] AfC protocol

Ciao! I was just following the guidelines in the templates Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Templates, specifically for

  • Copyvio - "Submission contains a copyright violation, and you want to point out the source of the copyrighted text. Please delete the copyrighted text in the submission."
  • nonsense - "The proposed article previously in this section has been declined and removed from this page, since it appears to be nonsense."
  • attack - "The proposed article previously in this section has been declined and removed from this page"

In fact, for all three of these, you will note that the directions (which I have been following) state clearly to Please delete the nonsense - Please delete the attack - Please delete the copyrighted text in the submission.

Has something changed that I'm not aware of?? Please let me know. :)

Also - is it just me, or are the edit buttons misaligned? I keep purging the cache and refreshing the page, but they seem to be one position up from where I'd expect them to be! No biggie, just a pain in the tuckus! SkierRMH 21:02, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, the edit button might be getting misaligned if you're deleting any section headers (e.g., sources), and using the back button after submission. Or we might be messing each other up. ;)
Anyway, I see your argument. If the article is total BS (e.g., "Thomas Pearce is a NOOB!), I just outright delete the section; no point in cluttering it up. If there's any question that the author may just not know how to do it (e.g., not too smart, or young), I'll make such a note. But if I remove anything and leave the section header in, I'll add (copyright removed), and add the note. That's just how I do things. Thanks for getting back. -Patstuarttalk|edits 21:10, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] George Bush False Information

Did you catch Mattheguy before or are you referring to my reversion of his edit? Douglas Myers 00:21, 21 December 2006 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thuglas (talk • contribs).

No, I saw your revert, and saw that it was a plainly false statement, so I warned him. Hope that clarifies. :) Patstuarttalk|edits 00:23, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm new and this is my first intervention! I feel like a crime fighter, haha. Thanks thuglastalk 00:28, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Yup, no prob. Patstuarttalk|edits 00:29, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 'ello

Hey mate, thanks for the message. I am glad that you did not hit any trouble. Perhaps it is just my character to be too bold, but even now I am having trouble editing, just had my comments removed - this would not have happened if I were still with my old account.--203.109.209.49 07:24, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] maps

Hi: I see taht you have edited some maps in wikipedia. Can you help me with some instructions on how to do that? Is there a tutorail for creating and editing maps for wikipedia? How do i zoom in, paint countries with different collors and assign leyends. For example create a map like the the one here "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Death_Penalty_World_Map.png". I know they used "Image:BlankMap-World.png" to create that map, but how do they go from this one to the one with all the info on it? . What software should i use. Is there a tutorial for doing it? How much detail can i get in terms of subnational divisions (states, provinces)? Thx —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 192.55.52.2 (talk • contribs).

Well, this is not too difficult: you might even use mspaint. Any maps I have created, I used simple imaging software, or sometimes complex software like Adobe Photoshop (though I abandoned Adobe as too powerful and hard for a simple project like this). There's no real tutorial on it, though; perhaps you could find something on google about making images. Sorry if I couldn't be of help.Patstuarttalk|edits 17:33, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FP programming language, FL programming language

You closed a discussion months ago as move, but never actually made the move. I moved one other that you missed too. -Patstuarttalk|edits 01:38, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

There are probably quite a few moves that have yet to be performed. I closed the move, moved a couple, and then intentionally stopped since there are a heck of a lot of pages to move. If editors interested in particular articles related to programming languages want to fulfill the move request, they are free to do so. -- tariqabjotu 02:43, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
We can't. There's a redirect in the way. -Patstuarttalk|edits 02:45, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Are you sure you can't do these two moves yourself? Give them a shot. -- tariqabjotu 02:53, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Absolutely positive. See the move tag on the talk page, how the "move to" category is blue-linked with the redirect. -Patstuarttalk|edits 02:54, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Karen Ralls deletion

Thanks for the message re deletion to above entry. I was wondering what went amiss.

Explanation: I know Dr. Karen Ralls personally, and recommended wikipedia to her. She was very enthusiastic but is busy researching at the moment and needed help from somone more savvy with these kind of postings, which are simple enough, but not quite when you're short on time.

I didn't think copyright would have been an issue since she is the owner of AncientQuest (www.ancientquest.com)which is where I got the text from. In fact I didn't change any of the text as I wanted to keep to her own description of herself. Remember we're not talking about some academic matter but a person's life. Sure enough, users may contribute, and should contribute to further describing the person in question, as they percieve her......but as a starting point I reckoned we should at least use her own words, and let others take off from there.

Apologies for the extra bit of work I gave you! I leave the matter entirely in your hands.

Merry Christmas, and all the best.....to you and the cat (as per photos!).

Best regards, Kavallier

Hi, thanks for getting back. If you own the website, you can put a note on it stating, "this text is dually licensed under the GFDL copyright", or something to the extent, and you will be allowed to put it on this website (though I would heavily ask that you would attribute it to that site, and make mention of that copyright). Also, I'm not familiar with Ms. Ralls, but you might want to read up on WP:BIO, to make sure that she's notable of an encyclopedia entry. It could go either way. Hope this helps. -Patstuarttalk|edits 19:29, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] re Karen Ralls reactivation

Thanks for your reply Pat. I see the entry has been reactivated in a simpler form. I have also read up on the BIO link you included in the reply. Point taken.

At this point, I will leave the entry as is. Dr. Ralls has wrote various books, and has been interviewed on well known TV channels such as National Geographic and Discovery, which is why I suggested she put some information on wikipedia. Many people use Wiki as a who's who look-up as it's an excellent tool to build up an accurate overview due to the various internal and external links. If this initiative is on the right track, then undoubtedly it will attract more experienced Wikipedians who would know what more to include....if any!

Thanks once again for your precious time.

Regards, Kavallier

Yup, that was me that created the second page. I felt bad about biting you. :) -Patstuarttalk|edits 17:44, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TFD: Template:Infobox Philippine High School

You've voted conditional keep on this one, but there's no thing that separates Philippine high schools from Western ones, so making an exclusive Philippine H.S. infobox would be redundant with the Secondary schools infobox. --Howard the Duck 07:42, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Explain why it's redundant. { PMGOMEZ } 16:02, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Province? Religious affiliation (is there greater rate of religious high schools in the Philippines? I'm willing to bet yes)? Type of religious school (e.g., madrash or educational)? However, I think I'm staring to see what you think it's redundant, as template:infobox school and template:infobox school2 have any necessary information. Patstuarttalk|edits 19:28, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Province -- yes. Also added Barangay (which is how public schools are usually divided). And yes, religious schools share a great majority, especially Catholic and Christian schools. There are Buddhist schools and of course Islamic schools as well. { PMGOMEZ } 01:26, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
There is a province already. We don't need barangay. Wikipedia is not a directory. As for religious affiliation there's affiliation. --Howard the Duck 02:55, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Barangay field is not for directory purposes. There isn't a list of schools based on their barangay. It's a field for you to know which area the school is attached to. { PMGOMEZ } 03:19, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
But adding a complete address make Wikipedia a directory. Would you expect an encyclopedia entry where the complete address is given? --Howard the Duck 04:37, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Adding barangay does NOT make a complete address. { PMGOMEZ } 05:32, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
{Can we do this at another place? Like my own talkpage for example? --Howard the Duck 04:57, 26 December 2006 (UTC))
Up to you. { PMGOMEZ } 05:32, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merry Christmas.

In the spirit of the Reason for the season, may I take privilege of offering a simple greeting: Merry Christmas. :) { PMGOMEZ } 16:12, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, Merry Christmas to you too! Patstuarttalk|edits 19:29, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Champagne talk page

Just so there's no confusion, why did you want to speedy-delete the talk page for Champagne? I didn't understand the reason given so I removed the tag. Tocharianne 22:18, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, here we go. Champagne was recently moved to Champagne (beverage), and Champagne (disambiguation) was moved to Champagne. Simple enough, right? But here's the catch: the old Champagne had a talk page (Talk:Champagne), which is now at Talk:Champagne (beverage), so, when the page was moved, a redirect was automatically created (this happens when a page is moved). Normally, then, the administrator goes in and deletes the redirect on the main page and talk page, in order to make way for the move. But Talk:Champagne (disambiguation) never existed, so the administrator forgot about the Talk page; he should have just deleted it. That's quite complicated, but I hope it answers your question. Patstuarttalk|edits 18:13, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:JohnJohnJohnJohn

Hi Pat, how did you come to the conclusion that this editor might be a sockpuppet / impersonator of WoW? He's made some weird edits and can be uncooperative but WoW? I can't quite see it, I doubt he even knows who that is. Deizio talk 22:02, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, I figured it wasn't a problem to put the tag on, because it only says suspected. However, you will notice that he has the IP address from which, says User:Mackenson, "there is little to no activity... that does not come from Willy on Wheels.": see [9] and Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#195.188.152.16_blocked. Thus, seeing that this user has also been uncooperative in the past, the connection seemed at least likely enough to plop a sock tag on his page. However, you may be right; perhaps I should remove it? -Patstuarttalk|edits 22:48, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
There has been a sockpuppet question with this account and those of Orchardbank (talk • contribs) and Johnowenlangham (talk • contribs), he has denied the former although he claims to know whose account it it, and the latter is probably a certainty. I posted to ANI about this a couple of days ago but it went uncommented upon. I'll leave any further action on the WoW connection up to you. Cheers, Deizio talk 23:04, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Willy on WHAT!? Myself, Johnowenlangham and Orchardbank are three completely different people. I know Johnowenlangham, and I can assure you that himself and myself are not the same person. Orchardbank is also more than twice my age, so it's very unlikely. I can't believe you'd even think that. And who on Earth is WoW? Johnx4 02:27, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

A notorious vandal of Wikipedia, with whom you happen to share an IP address, apparently (see my links above). If you really want to remove the tag, it's fine. -Patstuarttalk|edits 17:10, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] about soma content

http://online-shop.orgfree.com/about_soma.htm it's my article. I has been wrote it. —The preceding comment is by 195.131.84.202 (talk • contribs) : Please sign your posts!

There are a few issues here. First, the copyright issue:
  • Template:Copyright explains how you can release the information. It reads thus: If you hold the copyright to this text and permit its use under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License: then either display a notice to this effect at the site of original publication or send an e-mail from an address associated with the original publication to permissions-en at wikimedia dot org or a postal letter to the Wikimedia Foundation. These messages must explicitly permit use under the GFDL.
  • The second issue is the notability of the product: we must have some external links, other than the company's own website, in order to verify its notability: please see WP:CORP. If it is notable, which is entirely possible, other newsworthy links on the product should exist.
  • Third, it's important that it sound like an encyclopedia entry. At the moment, it is a little bit confusing to the reader not familiar with brain chemistry - however, this is a problem that some other articles on Wikipedia have, so this last issue is probably not too grave.
I hope this explains everything.-Patstuarttalk|edits 19:22, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AFC: Airos Adventures

Okay, grizzled veteran of the WP:AFC, can you fill me in on the seemingly never ending stream of random submissions related to the apparently imaginary "Airos Adventures" series? I can't seem to find any other references to it, and it just seems like complete nonsense that someone's spent an inordinate amount of time crafting. Am I missing something here, or is this a running gag, like a special AFC snipe hunt? Kuru talk 04:52, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

It's clearly a well-crafted hoax of some sort. Gsearch turns up only 352 hits, almost all of which are Wikipedia mirrors or other sites which could serve as self-promotion. Worse, upon searching, Airos Adventures is all over Wikipedia: [10] (removing the 21 hits at WP:AFC. This link is seems to say it all: it was the only non-Wikipedia site to reference it. I'm a bit short on time; perhaps you could remove the links and place a notice on WP:AN to alert the community? Thanks for the info. Patstuarttalk|edits 17:08, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] question

Are you an administrator? — coelacan talk — 00:09, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

No I'm not; why do I sense that this is going to be a problem? -Patstuarttalk|edits 00:11, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Well I'm just wondering why you are closing AFD's. I thought only admins could do that. — coelacan talk — 00:14, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Believe it or not, one does not need to be an admin to close AFD's. However, non-admins are advised not to close discussions as delete, simply because of their lack of capacity to delete the file; they also should not close overtly controversial afd's, though there has been some dispute on that. I looked all day, actually, for the policy on that, but I can't find it. Hope that helps. Patstuarttalk|edits 00:17, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Interesting. Can you point me to the details on how and when and with what guidelines I could do this? All I see are Wikipedia:Deletion guidelines for administrators. — coelacan talk — 00:20, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Ah, found it: Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Non-administrators_closing_discussions. Patstuarttalk|edits 00:25, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Ahh. Thanks for your time, Patstuart. — coelacan talk — 00:27, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I came in undecided. It just doesn't look like the DWB usage exists outside of the US and Canada, and Canada is fence-sitting. Sorry I couldn't come down on your side. — coelacan talk — 01:04, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding your edit to Wikipedia talk:Deletion process

I wholeheartedly agree. Whats the next step, should we propose some re-wordings, etc? Navou banter 01:12, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Well I have to go, but your ideas look like pretty much what I was thinking: you got rid of all the wrong things, and kept the stuff I would have kept. :) But I seriously gtg, sorry for breaking off aon you like this, but I suggest proposing some changes, see how they fly, and perhaps then mentioning something at WP:AN. Patstuarttalk|edits 01:30, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
What are your thoughts on the discussion now? Regards, Navou banter 19:11, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] TheDOC1958

I'd have to disagree with you there. The account has made just three mainspace edits: one to Talk:Thomas Jefferson (eight minutes after the account was created, jumping into the middle of a discussion to agree with Piratesofsml,) and two more than a month later to George W. Bush, adding the text that Smith Mountain Lake Pirates was advocating in a discussion thread that was eventually removed as trolling. The first alone was not enough to warrant a block, which is why I didn't block the account at the time, but when you add the second the connection is pretty clear - the account is either a sock or an impersonator, and either way it's only here to cause trouble.

If Piratesofsml had all along been in the habit of admitting sock accounts were his once they were found, it might be worth taking into account that he claims no connection with TheDOC1958, but every one of these accounts has claimed not to be a sock, and the closest that Piratesofsml has come to admitting sock puppetry was claiming that Smith Mountain Lake Pirates was his brother - and he could hardly deny some connection given that the two accounts' names are essentailly the same words rearranged. I don't think we should be takeing the word of the pupeteer in the face of so much evidence.

I can't respond to the request for unblock myself, because I was the blocking admin, so it will have to stay up until another admin gets to it. -- Vary | Talk 17:05, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, that evidence is considerably more damning than I thought. Yes, Pirates has a history of using socks to try to canvass and make it look like he's supported. Given that the user has only 5 edits, I would hardly think it atrocious if he had to create another account. Thanks for the heads up. In any case, WP:DFT and move on. :)-Patstuarttalk|edits 17:08, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Questions on survey procedure

Hello, I was wondering a few things regarding survey/consensus procedure (with the KISS/Kiss discussion in mind, as you might have guessed): 1) Can/should a move nominator post in the Support section as well or is this unnecessary (or even frowned upon), since his/her position is probably clear from the nomination already? 2) How are votes treated which come in after the request has been up for more than five days and has already been moved to the backlog? - Cyrus XIII 01:59, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

No problem, all is cool. Normally, what you want to do is to sign yourself and say "support as nom" or something to the extent. Once or twice I've seen people get weird about it (i.e., they were unfamiliar with precedent), but most of the time, you can support as nom and no one will have a problem with it. Anyway, for clarity's sake, it's probably best to sign it at the top of the list (most nominators are the first ones to sign, of course). And, often times, the reason the requested move is let to sit a few extra days is in order to help gauge greater consensus - voting late is never a problem if the poll is still open (some people get fussy about the word "vote", as it's formally a discussion, not a vote, but I don't get fussy over wordage). Hope this is clear. Patstuarttalk|edits 02:19, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes it is, thanks a lot. :) - Cyrus XIII 02:23, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/BigDT 2

Just to let you know, you didn't sign your vote. Mangojuicetalk 02:21, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey, thanks. I hate it when that happens. -Patstuarttalk|edits 02:22, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for reverting the vandalism to my talk page. --E tac 17:36, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi - can I echo those thanks for cleaning up the damage my sock :P my impersonator caused - it's a special moment when you have your first impersonator! Thanks, Martinp23 17:44, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Lol. I want one! I want one! Just as User:Persian Poet Gal about this (an incomplete list BTW). -Patstuarttalk|edits 17:47, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pattstuart

FYI, see Pattstuart (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log)

It doesn't look like any action's required on your part.--A. B. (talk) 18:15, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I think someone was monitoring my talk page (see the comment immediately above). -Patstuarttalk|edits 18:17, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template: Messianic Judaism

Thanks for stepping up and saying something on the talk page. I really hate edit warring, and I don't want to go through another round of it, it's tiring and very unproductive. inigmatus 18:38, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Syrthisssss

I saw "reporting Syrthisssss" on WP:AIV on my watchlist and I thought "EH??" Then I counted the "s"s. Seems to be a bit of a fashion today - Nwwaew has had a Nwweaw following them about. I wanna User:Tonwyalton :-) Tonywalton  | Talk 18:43, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:CANADA

I wanted the page deleted; that is what I asked for originally before all these other people came in with "be bold" (whatever that means). I can't put the 'speedy deletion' template in it because you have set it to protected status. I guess a redirect works fine, even though as I already stated in the discussion I have already updated the 1 page that used the template to point to the approved template. I still don't get the "be bold" thing; can you explain it for me? I though it was just some inside joke among the admins which is why I chose to mock it. Thanks! Maxarre 20:52, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Ha, not at all. First, I'm not an admin either :); but admins are usually friendly anyway, and don't abuse their power in that kind of way (a kind of mocking summary of it as written at WP:CABAL) - the reference is to WP:BOLD. Second, it's template:CAN that's protected, not template:CANADA (you were redirected). If you edit the redirect, you can probably go ahead and tag it for deletion, as long as you also give a link to this page so the deleting admin can see why. Patstuarttalk|edits 21:34, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:American_liberalism#Page_move

We have brought the matter to a discussion/vote, and since you expressed support on the talk page, I thought you might want to express it in a more formal manner. -- Cielomobile talk / contribs 00:53, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A little help if you don't mind

While trying my hand at RC Patrolling I came across this page, Patrick_Fisher. It struck me as immediately odd, especially since through the day I think I had seen dozens of similar pages where a page had been created with very little info, sometimes with a pic, profiling a person way too young to possible qualify as Notable. Then I looked at the talk page and found 2 comments, both unsigned but with one signed by a bot. Through the length of my examination I uncovered that all of the comments as well as the article itself, were all left by the same user! He was entering unsigned comments on the talk page congratulating himself for making such an important page.

Now we come to my question? What to do? Nominate the page for deletion? Warn the user to stop being a moron? Warning I know how to do (test1, test2, etc) but an AfD proposal... I know it is done, no idea how to do it. Advice? --Bill W. Smith, Jr. 05:26, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Once you've determined that the article is about a clearly non-notable person, the steps are easy:

  1. Add the tag {{db-bio}} to the top of the article.
  2. Review the page history to find the author, and let him know that his article has been tagged for speedy deletion using {{nn-warn}}.

All taken care of! For more information, refer to WP:SPEEDY. -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs) 05:34, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

Hi Pat, Thank you for your remark regarding the need to find the sources from which I made the changes to the current figures and percentages of the Christians in the following countries: Egypt, Ethiopia, Eritrea and the Sudan. I think that the accuracy of the total population figures is based on approximation, and it is based on this that I was able to adjust the population of the above mentioned countries, the source I got it from, mostly from Wikipedia, from the population of the world page, or by country, I don't remember, but I wouldnot know how to do the referencing part. if you can help in this, i would be most appreciative.

As far as the % of the Christians in these countries, it is also based in part of wikipedia pages, such as Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria, Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church, Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Christianity, and other pages related to the christian denominations in the Middle East and in particular to the Orthodox Churches. In addition to this, I am a member of the Orthodox Church and I was living in Egypt before immigrating to the US, and I do know from childhood the % ratio of Christians in the Middle East from numerous sources, I would not be able to recount them. So in a sense, I may have not all the tools that may back up all my claim, if you want to call it as such, and espetially that in these Countries, except perhaps in Ethiopia, the trend from the Goverment to undermine and misrepresent the correct and accurate percentage or number of the Christians in their countries, and they even force their percentages or ratios on the International Organizations that monitor or use Statistical calculation in their services, since they depend on the Governmental sources in that.

So if you feel that you want adjust these figures to their original ones, do so, I will not be able to do anything. I just thought it proper to update the figures based on what I know. I do understand that there is guidelines of what is permisible and what is not, but sometimes not every thing or every piece of information is possible to verify and counterverify.

I will leave it to your judgement to do what you feel is right. Orthopraxia, 5:46 pm Pacific Time, January 14th, 2007

Hey, thanks for getting back. The problem is that so much of the article is unsourced, and there are lots of changes being made, and it's impossible to tell which is valid, and which is just propaganda (in this case, I suspect most cases are the former). For your type of edits, it shouldn't be hard to find a source; I listed a few good sources on the talk page. Especially if the source is another Wikipedia article: those usually should be referencing sources too. But, in any case, it would be nice if you could add the external source inline (as you can see I did for China, which people kept arguing over), or, failing that, in the edit summary. It would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for the help, though; your additions are welcome. Patstuarttalk|edits 02:05, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Danke

Thanks for moving that comment on my talk page. EVula // talk // ☯ // 01:57, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

No problem. -Patstuarttalk|edits 02:02, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Giorgio Mainerio

Hello! I'm an Italian student and I love Giorgio Mainerio's music. I worked on the article about Mainerio of the Italian wikipedia. A couple of months ago I prepared a translation of the same article for the English wikipedia (I prepared also a Spanish translation of it - maybe you could have a look at it!). Could you arise an opinion about what I did? Maybe we could complement your article with mine. Here is the work:

Giorgio Mainerio (Parma, date of birth unknown - Aquileia, 3rd or 4th may 1582) was a musician and a composer.

[edit] Biography

Mainerio was born in Parma between 1530 and 1540 and his father was probably of Scottish descent (this is also suggested by the fact that Giorgio used to sign his works as Mayner). His education included music studies but he didn’t take up the musical career as first, in fact in 1560, as a priest, he went to Udine to become chaplain in the local church of Santa Maria Annunziata. Mainerio spent ten years (from 1560 to 1570) in Udine, where, thanks to his previous musical experience and the teaching of two local musicians, skilled in counterpoint, Gabriele Martinengo (kapellmeister from 1562 to 1567) and Ippolito Chiamaterò (kapellmeister from 1567 to 1570), he finally took up the musical career. About three years after his arrival to Udine he became interested in mysterious practices of the occult (astrology, magic, necromancy) and there was a rumour around that he performed strange nocturnal rites together with some women. The Inquisition tried to find out more about the case which however was dropped out, due also to the reticence of the witnesses. As a consequence of this fact Mainerio’s relationship with the priests of the Chapter of Udine became more and more difficult, so he moved to the Basilica Patriarcale of Aquileia. There in 1578 he became kapellmeister and during his last years of life, passed in a poor state of health, he travelled to get some thermal treatment, he went to Ancona and many times to Venice. His death was announced in the sitting of the Chapter held on 4th May 1582.

[edit] Works

Mainerio mainly wrote sacred works but he published also a collection of profane songs and dances of folk origin, Il primo libro de’ balli, printed in Venice by Angelo Gardano in 1578. Before of this collection Mainerio had published a book of Magnificat octo tonorum...cum quatuor vocibus, that included also a Regina coeli, printed in Venice by Giovanni Bariletto in 1574. Afterwards he published a collection of ten more Magnificat called Sacra cantica Beatissimae M Virg omnitonum sex vocum parium canenda, completed with a motet (also this for six voices) called O sacrum convivium and printed in Venice by Angelo Gardano in 1580.

I thank you in advance hoping to get soon a message from you (you can find me as Omniasoltemperat both in the Italian and in the English wikipedia). Ciao --Omniasoltemperat 01:08, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

P.s.: Are you a musician? I play cello and I'm glad to know a person that (I suppose) likes Mainerio. Maybe you like even Spain? I simply love it, especially Seville. Sorry for all these questions and for my English that (I'm sure) reveals my nationality!

Hey, thanks for the message; sorry it took me so long to respond. Actually, I didn't write the article myself; someone at WP:AFC submitted the idea, and it looked like quite a worthy article. I must go now, but if I ever have time, I will look at merging your article into the main one, and fixing any grammatical errors. As for Spanish, my Spanish is probably just about as good, or perhaps a little worse, than your English. So if you submit a Spanish article, and I have time to look at that one too, then I will do my best to fix any errors. But, when it comes to grammar, I make a lot of mistakes; I'm better at reading or casual conversation (as the tone is considerably less formal: correct grammar is less important, it doesn't have to sound pretty, etc.). Thanks again. Patstuarttalk|edits 19:29, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WoS DRV

I have posted a statement concerning my decision in closing the debate. I generally do not actively follow DRVs I have been named in, please contact me again on my talk page if further explanation or clarification is required. Best regards, RyanGerbil10(Упражнение В!) 07:16, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sockpuppets

I don't have any, and I don't plan to, either. I think someone doesn't like my RFA... but I'll ignore those SPA comments. --SunStar Nettalk 23:18, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd suggest crossing them out. As I noted on the page, it looks like someone doesn't like you. :( Sorry about the oppose BTW. Patstuarttalk|edits 23:20, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Watch Out for Page Vandals

Hey Pat, caught a page vandal having at your page. I'll watchlist you for awhile ;). I already reported the culprit at AIV so no worries, see you around...¤~Persian Poet Gal (talk) 00:05, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I haven't had my page vandalized in forever, and I got 2 today. I feel so honored... *sniff* Patstuarttalk|edits 00:06, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Using English

Hello - I'm contacting you because of your involvement with using English instead of foreign terms in articles. A few are trying to "Anglicise" French terms in Wiki articles according to current guidelines but there is some resistance (eg/: "Région => Region"; "Département => Departement"). Your input would be appreciated here page. Thankyou. --Bob 16:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit]  ?

Hello there I love usinf Wikipedia it is such a wonderful resource. Thank you. I am concerned about one thing whenever I log on to the page I have bookmarked on my sidekick I see a little message saying I have new messages. Today I decided to check that out. I figured it was going to be a thank you for the tiny donation I made a while back so I figured I just read it to get rid of the message prompt. Well when I opened it up it was a message chastening me for vandalism. I am very concerned about this. I have never ever attempted to edit anything here-i am practically computer illterate! Also I don't think I even visited any of those groups. Should I be worried that someone is using whatever would have to be used to be recognized as me? I am sorry to take up your time but I would really appreciate any advice you coukd give me about securing whatever I should be securing thanks again have a good day. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.220.208.238 (talk • contribs).

Reviewing your history, you may have a public IP address or one that is shared by multiple users. It is also possible that someone has indeed hijacked your computer to be used as a proxy, or that, if you are using wireless, people are using your signal. In my estimation, the first is the most likely possibility. However, there's no way for us to be able to tell on our end; it's all happening at your end. Hope that satisfies. -Patstuarttalk|edits 18:00, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

I bet I'm the first person at RfA to lower his votes :P—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 06:05, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I thought you'd gone out of your mind when I saw it, but I was like, "whatever", we all occasionally do something like that. Patstuarttalk|edits 06:08, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
I had been working on responding to Newyorkbrad and I thought it was a good idea to copy everything above the question. Silly me.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 06:09, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Muhammad/Mediation

Just to notify that mediation has renewed at the Muhammad article, after a delay due to Ars Scriptor's leaving, in case you still wanted to participate. I'll be the mediator, but I may call in help from someone more experienced later. | AndonicO Talk · Sign Here 13:21, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the RfA support

With the RfA complete and over, and a day to recover on top, I finally feel able to click a few buttons and write a few comments.

Of those, there's about a dozen editors I hadn't come across before, whom I particularly want to write a comment to. RfA is a good chance to see how others see you. It also shows a light on others, and those who judge sometimes show themselves in a flattering or unflattering light too. An inevitable aspect of any giving of opinion, so to speak. I don't think our paths have crossed, and yet you showed a high degree of confidence that I would use the access honestly and well. I'd like to live up to that, as being the best and most relevant "thank you" I can think of for your support.

As a new user of admin access, I might well benefit from guidance for a while to come. I trust my existing approach overall, but its an area one doesn't really want to make even a single mistake, and where the judge is the eyes of ones peers. So advice is rarely a Good Thing.

If you feel like watchlisting User:FT2/Advice sought, I'd appreciate it :) it's my initial step to ensuring this new access is taken as responsibly as possible, during the next while, and to get advice as needed for specific situations while I'm figuring out the basics.

Otherwise, do keep in touch, happy editing in 2007, and once again - many thanks! :) FT2 (Talk | email) 02:54, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Lee Nysted Experience AFD

Thank you for helping out with that mess with some good comments - though do be careful, as the folks involved don't seem to be averse to legal threats. I'm withdrawing, as I'm about >< that far from my first NPA violation with that bunch, and I'd rather not waste it on them... (We really need a way to get dispensations from admins for that. "Hey, I've got 1,000 good edits, can I have a dispensation for one personal attack?" =) ) Cheers. Tony Fox (arf!) 06:27, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


Please go back to review the additions from CLEAR CHANNEL, and C.H.

By Tuesday, there should be at least 50 sources documented and reliable. Wikipedia suggests AMG as a source. No puppets being used by me or fans. Thank you,


Lee Nystedhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lee_Nysted 19:48, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Sir, this whole process has frustrated me greatly. I'm with Tony Fox; I was nearly considerably more verbose considering some of your hugely doubtful claims. I tend to look quite poorly on hoaxes used to promote an author. I am not returning to the afd, but I can assure you that my opinion remains the same (BTW, having a CD is not notability enough to have an article on Wikipedia: see WP:MUSIC).

Patstuarttalk|edits 19:58, 21 January 2007 (UTC) _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

  • Wrong assumption and inaccurate depiction of the truth about The Lee Nysted Experience
  • I deeply resent the lack of respect for me and my family that you and a handful of people at Wikipedia have presented in the articles of deletion. It is obvious to me that you have not taken the time to do the "legwork" required of an editor and you simply became one of the "group." However, sort of like getting into the wrong car, you have made the same mistakes that many "editors" have made. You did not follow Wikipedia rules, guidelines, and codes of conduct. You did not pretend to read the links or the facts behind the article. I did not write any of it and you cannot defend the smear that two legitimate writers have felt. I have 1400 reviews, 10,000 legitimate sites carrying my music. I have not one, but three notable artists in my band. You cannot excape the truth and yet, you fail to comeback and read it.
  • I am sorry that Wikipedia gets such a bad name because of this type of "MySpace" journalism.

Truly yours,

Lee Nystedhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lee_Nysted 01:34, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Iranian_Revolution#Requested_move

Why did you close the discussion? I purposely didn't respond to the illogical argument. It was about the name one gives to oneself. Great Satan is a name given by Iran - not U.S. itself - to the U.S. I wish to reopen and let the votes continue.

Even SCIRI took Islamic Revolution from Iran's revolution to form its name. Its leaders lived there.--Patchouli 12:58, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I was born in Iran and I had never heard "Iranian Revolution" until I saw it here on Wikipedia. It initially sounded awkward to me. You can verify it with users who have lived in Iran. No one calls it the "Iranian Revolution" there. Even Iranian users who rooted for "Iranian Revolution" acknowledged my assertion.--Patchouli 13:05, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Ak User:Rayis.--Patchouli 13:06, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Islamic Revolution is the common name in English, too. I will reopen the discussion and remove your closing statements. Let me know if you have objections.--Patchouli 13:09, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I closed the discussion because 3 people were calling for move, and 10 for stay. It was abundantly clear there was no consensus for a move. You'll also notice that most of the interwikis refer to it as Iranian revolution, the only one I can find (in language scripts that I can read) that calls is Islamic is German: de:Islamische Revolution. Even the Arabic title is somewhat ambiguous: :ar:ثورة إسلامية في إيرا (meaning, Islamic Revolution in Iran). But, if you were to ask my opinion, the fact that you grew up in Iran might precisely be the problem: people often refer to something differently in their home country than what it is called abroad (see French and Indian War, which was actually a war with the Americans/English on one side, and the French and Indians on the other; I'm quite sure that's not the title it received interntionally, at least not for quite a while). Anyway, I hope that you relist it at WP:RM under January 15th (you can make a note there that you only want non-admins to close it), or no one else will know to close the discussion. Patstuarttalk|edits 18:31, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

You're right. In light of the 11th response the discussion, I think users will overwhelmingly support Iranian Revolution as the name. I don't care if it closed. Thanks. --Patchouli 06:48, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Newyorkbrad's RfA

Thank you for your support on my RfA, which closed favorably this morning, as well as for your kind comments accompanying your !vote. I appreciate the confidence the community has placed in me and am looking forward to my new responsibilities. Please let me know if ever you have any comments or suggestions, especially as I am learning how to use the tools. Best regards, Newyorkbrad 19:50, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:LAME

I never said it was a big deal, but I was just offended that you added it to that page. In the past month Jaakko has called me a "vandal", "Russophile", that I "have no life", and to "go to hell". I see the subject more seriously, and I really don't think it's lame at all. Khoikhoi 02:31, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, that's precisely the reason it was so silly. He was taking this way too seriously for one little word at the top of the article. Please understand, I participated in the discussion, but I don't really care that much - I didn't think it mattered. I'm sorry if you got that idea I was singling you out. Patstuarttalk|edits 01:02, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Map

I'm nominating all of the sports logo maps for deletion at WP:IFD#Image:BigTenUSAMap.png. Superm401 - Talk 12:49, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Giorgio-thanks

I have to thank you for your kind reply to my message. I will leave to you the duty of merging the two articles, ok? If you change idea or if you haven't got enough time to do that, please let me know, for me wouldn't be a problem to give a hand to the article. Please don't hesitate to contact me if you need help for anything. Ciao. --Omniasoltemperat 20:06, 22 January 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Sorry to bother you again

There is now an RfC open on the subject of using English in French administrative division articles. I don't expect you to contribute much time to this, but if you can, could you please voice a statement and disagree/agree with those statements found there. Maybe we will arrive at a reasonable conclusion soon. It can be found here. Thanks in advance. --Bob 22:01, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question re: Harvest (band).

I see that you noted that I'd already created the article "Harvest (band)".

Is it to be reviewed to determine whether it meets the criteria for inclusion in Wikipedia?

How can I get this process going? Or has it already started?

Thanks for any help,

jamielng 01:43, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Usually we don't review articles one-by-one is such a fashion. It's usually that someone just comes across the article, and if it looks non-notable, it's tagged for deletion somehow. In any case, they have a mention in CCM, so it's probably not an immediate candidate for deletion. I would encourage you to find some other notable mentions in media outside independent of the band. Also, I have to point out that it's not really standard practice to upload clips of all their songs onto Wikipedia. You might like to reconsider that. Hope this helps, and welcome! Patstuarttalk|edits 01:56, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. Regarding the clips I've included in the article, what would you suggest? Should I scrap all of them, or maybe just include a few songs per album? I thought that including them would be ok if their summaries and fair use rationale were good. As far as I can tell, I've not violated the copyrights, and I think that their inclusion enhances the article. I'd appreciate your feedback,
jamielng 18:26, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Logos on maps

Thanks for your work. One note, though — the blank map is licensed under the GFDL, so subsequent works should be under that same license, I believe. — Rebelguys2 talk 05:12, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lol

This is the funniest thing I have seen in a while. "Excuse me, mister bot sir, please read our policies!" You deserve a smile. -Amark moo! 05:46, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Amarkov has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

[edit] Re: Martin Enda Marren

To be honest, that article was so barren of any data—never mind any sources to back up its claims (and, any time words like "highly respected" or "very notable" are used, verification is always missing)—that I'd rather its author(s) start over. On the other hand, I could re-create the article in your user space for further work. I welcome your thoughts. :) RadioKirk (u|t|c) 13:57, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Just wanted to say thanks for accepting my article about Radullan Sahiron. It's much appreciated. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.124.40.154 (talk) 16:08, 23 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Re: Nysted

Yeah, I know better than to toss scraps under the bridge, but that whole thing is frustrating to the point of stupidity. That last addition of mine was supposed to be a logical explanation of exactly how the article fails what we need, complete with links (I especially liked the one link that I found ... left in the comments section of some completely unrelated blog) and logical discussion. Apparently, it didn't get through. Someone's going to have to monitor the contributions of both the main players there after these articles get deleted, because I have a feeling they'll be back. Until then, I'll try to avoid gnawing on my desk when I check back in there. =P Tony Fox (arf!) 16:30, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Heya, Pat. Can't believe I just had to defend myself for what was a straightforward explanation of the Grammy nomination process. That whole mess is WAY too hot, and I think I will just stay out of it now. --Bill W. Smith, Jr. (talk/contribs) 18:00, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Bill. I wasn't talking about you in this case. The problems have nothing to do with the grammy process. I really didn't want to get into this again, because I feel bad for creating bad blood before, but here it is: it has everything to do with the fact that the guy is almost certainly a fraud by other claims, like touring with members of Styx, Smashing Pumpkins, Boston, etc.; or the fact that his "company" Lee Nysted LLC doesn't exist; or his claims about his "staff" working on the myspace project; or the fact he's used sockpuppetry to make his claims look supported by other people; or using a highly questionable publicist; or WP:COI; or the fact he fails WP:MUSIC anyway, as no independent sources have published on him. The fact that he's using a "grammy nomination", which I could nominate my 13 year old brother's garage band for, without explaining that this nomination is unremarkable, only adds to the icing on the cake. And, by all means, please WP:AAGF; there's no reason to assume good faith in this type of situation; and if you would do your research into this guy, you would have recognized that straight up. Patstuarttalk|edits 18:13, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
And the checkuser results are in. User and socks all banned. Patstuarttalk·edits 22:07, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gracious!

I was just on your user page, and I have to tell you your death penalty user box practically curled my hair! Talk about polemical! I have to say, in all seriousness and respect, that sentiments like that seem much more divisive to me than a simple picture of Hillary Clinton, regardless of the relative size of the images. I kid you not; that userbox is just plain shocking to me, being as I am a citizen and resident of a country that has no death penalty. Please consider your stance on this issue (though I am not suggesting you remove the userbox). Sincerely, Jeffpw 21:37, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, it's a well known fact that most Western European countries now shun the death penalty. I could get into a debate with you on the issue, but I'll just leave it at this: as it's used now, it's not really a deterrent; but if an unquestionable murder automatically got a death penalty (and a swifter one), I can guarantee you people would think twice before committing the murder. Thus, in the long wrong, not only would it prevent innocent deaths, but it would save more lives in general. I realize that puts me into about 7% of the population for this thinking, but I still think it would work. Patstuarttalk|edits 21:49, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I mistook you yet again for an admin, Patstuart.[11] Anyway, thanks for staying under the boiling point. I wondered about your call of "injustice" but I never worry that you're going to start yelling about your pov. And that's appreciated. PS: Ruben Cantu. — coelacan talk — 22:37, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

eh, good call, I'll remove "injustice". :) Patstuarttalk|edits 22:39, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Emil Salman

Hello, Patstuart,

I added an AFD regarding a page that you declined on Wikipedia:Articles for creation. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Emil Salman is the AFD. ~a (user • talk • contribs) 03:38, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I didn't create that page :) 03:41, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh declined. Thanks. My bad. :P Patstuarttalk|edits 03:43, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adding fact to Penélope Cruz

If you read her bio, Penélope Cruz was born in Spain. She has lived almost her entire life in Europe. When do you suppose she moved to Racine, Wisconsin? That whole paragraph reads like vandal heaven. The Conservatorio Nacional is in Spain. Kristina Kota Kochool ???? There is no such place and only shows up in sites that mirror Wikipedia. To the best of my knowledge, she has never lived in New York either which why that whole paragraph looks like it was dreamed up. 01:57, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Alright, alright, then revert it. Patstuarttalk|edits 01:59, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: AfD of List of formulae involving pi

You voted "Aw dammit." If you want to keep (and I see no good reason for deletion), could you vote keep? I really don't want the article to be deleted. --N Shar 06:47, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] bot doing unwarranted changes

your bot is doing some unwarranted reverts at Great Union Party. I added my paragraph with a citation. Towsonu2003 07:20, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Apologies. However, I was referring tothe blanket change of the word "nationalist" to "fascist". Simply being associated with a fascist at some time in the past does not mean a party is fascist. We have to be careful about putting in things that might sound derragatory without sources. Cheers. Patstuarttalk|edits 07:23, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree, I should have provided a citation for that too. I just did. I think it's a legitimate source. thanks Towsonu2003 07:26, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
It was great to work with you, thanks. Towsonu2003 07:55, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Meadowcreek High School

Just wondering if you actually intended to tag Talk:Meadowcreek_High_School for CSD:G5, instead of the article page itself? I've left it as it is, just thought I'd let you know :) --inksT 10:28, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

No, I was just frustrated to see a talk page with vandalism only on it. I'll just clear the page; should be easiest that way. Patstuarttalk·edits 21:49, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Paulo Stochaj

Patstuart. I am sorry for not being able to verify the information. I am the director of a few of Paulo Stochaj's films. They are not mainstream films. I regret to admit that they are so low budget. They are only available at local independent adult stores. He is, in fact, an adult film star. Please re-add him to the list as we are trying to get his name out to the public. Thank you, R —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DirectorR (talk • contribs).

I apologize if I was too quick to not assume good faith; however, if he has no lists whatsoever, then he is not notable to be the encyclopedia either. Please see WP:BIO. Wikipedia reports on people after they become notable; it doesn't exist to prop them up beforehand. Also, by our Biographies of Living Persons policy, we absolutely must have reliable sources for information on a person, most especially if the information could be seen as derragatory (which, in the case of being a gay porn actor, it certainly can). Hope this clears things up. Cheers. Patstuarttalk·edits 21:49, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ZakuSage

Re: this

I just want to let you know two things: First, not only have I had no problem with a checkuser (not that ZakuSage has bothered to ask for one or bothered to leave me a message on my talk page asking my approval), previous checkusers done on "request" of other POV pushers and abusive users on wikipedia cleared me of being a sockpuppet of NotAWeasel last time, too. ZakuSage just continues to lie about this anyways to try to get anyone he disagrees with banned.

Second, ZakuSage picks fights like this all the time, this isn't the first or the last, and I've not been involved with all of them. NotAWeasel was right, ZakuSage is a problem editor with severe page ownership issues. RunedChozo 18:43, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh, one other thing: look carefully at what ZakuSage did. He was warned on WP:ANI not to create "evidence" pages in the user space of other users because it was insulting. He was told where he could put some pages. Instead of following directions, he decided to "re-create" an evidence page inside the user space of a user he had had banned under false pretenses to further kick someone when they are down. RunedChozo 18:44, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

While I'm glad to hear you're not NotAWeasel, and I'm sorry if I became engaged in an edit dispute, I monitored NotAWeasel for a while, and there were no false pretenses whatsoever for his banning: [12]. He was completely uncivil, warned multiple times, and our encyclopedia has no use for him. I might also like to point out that calling someone a dick and engaging in move vandalism of your own sockpuppet page is totally unacceptable. Please stop. But I can't worry about this anymore; I'm going on wikibreak. Patstuarttalk·edits 21:41, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
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