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[edit] From Hell

Sorry, but when I remove POV from an article, it's rather obnoxious for you to call making the article more NPOV as putting POV into it... furthermore, reverting it and then labeling the change "minor" is an outright lie. And, by the way, whose sock are you? Showing up to make decptive comments like that and personal attacks from a newly registered user is might suspicious. DreamGuy 01:44, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

It was a revert, and was marked as such, and it was minor, and was marked as such. Your attack on Knight seemed a bit out-of-place in the article, so I checked your contributions and it turned out to be a regular theme.
With regards to being a "sock", try googling patabongo, it's been my online username for longer than I care to remember. I have no idea who you are. Patabongo 02:06, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP:3RR

Regarding From Hell, you are in danger, if you haven't in spirit already, of breaking the 3 revert rule. I will assume good faith that you will attempt to broker a compromise, however, please note this is a clear warning that one more revert of the page will result in a block. Steve block talk 22:06, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

I've edited the article a few times, but only reverted it once. Take a look and see. Patabongo 22:11, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
As I said, the spirit of the 3RR, you have removed the same text twice although you only marked the first such removal as a revert, and you have rewritten the text again. I have issued a similar warning to DreamGuy, since I would rather you discuss anymore changes on the talk page. Note from WP:3RR:
  • Reverting in this context means undoing the work of another editor. It does not necessarily mean going back into the page history to revert to a previous version. The passage you keep adding or deleting may be as little as a few words, or in some cases, just one word.
It appears to my eye that you and DreamGuy are engaged in such moves. However, I will post a note at the Admins Noticeboard to clarify such a position. Steve block talk 22:32, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
I think I've been actively adding new perspectives and information in the hope of a compromise, rather than simply removing someone else's work, but I'll be happy to let a neutral third party decide on that. Patabongo 22:38, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
That is not in dispute. What is in dispute is that it is against Wikipedia policy to practise such a dispute within the article itself. It is far better to discuss the situation on the talk page, reach a compromise or solution and then amend the article accordingly, rather than constantly correct each others edits. That is what we have the WP:3RR policy for, and note it states that the policy is intended to stop edit wars, something I believe is brewing within the article. I am simply asking you to respond to my concerns and discuss any changes rather than unilaterally changing the article again, even if it is to demonstrate a possible solution. I hope you can respect and accept that position. The talk page is the place for such discussion, not the article. Thanks for your time, Steve block talk 22:47, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Minor Edits

Regarding your use of the minor edit box, I just want to point you to Wikipedia:Minor edit, since you seem to be marking a lot of your contributions as minor, and although as a new user you won't be aware of this, the rule of thumb is that the minor edit box is only for tipos, spelling, grammer or formatting. It's possible to watch articles through a watchlist, and it is also possible to hide minor edits from appearing on that watch list, so vandals can sometimes abuse such a loophole and make rather large alterations and hide them from watching editors by ticking the box. This might help explain DreamGuy's comments above somewhat. I appreciate this element of Wikipedia can come across as somewhat daunting, but if you have any questions, feel free to ask me at my talk page, or also try the Wikipedia:Village pump (assistance) or the Wikipedia:Help desk. Steve block talk 23:16, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Noted. Thanks a lot. Patabongo 12:50, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DreamGuy

Hello, I am currently collecting information for an RfC concerning recent incivility from User:DreamGuy. Is this an activity which you would be interested in assisting with? If not, I understand, but I did want to ensure that you were informed of it, since I see there was a recent dispute. Thanks, Elonka 00:22, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Sure, I'll help out. Patabongo 10:02, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I am currently gathering information at User:Elonka/DreamGuy dispute. I am still hoping that some other method of resolution will present itself, and this will not have to proceed to a full-out RfC or RfAr, but in the meantime, I'm building the case. If you have any suggestions or thoughts, feel free to modify the page directly, or post comments on the related discussion page. Thanks! Elonka 12:12, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your contribution. If I might also make a gentle suggestion, I would recommend putting some information on your user page, at User:Patabongo. This will change the color that your name appears as, along with helping to confirm that you are a "real" person, and not simply an extra account from some other user. The color of the link is a seemingly small thing, but it is quickly noticed by experienced editors, and might make others look at your comments with less trust. I just wanted to make you aware of the subtlety. Also, if you have any other questions about Wikipedia structure or etiquette, please feel free to ask.  :) Elonka 13:20, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Okay, done. And thanks. Patabongo 13:39, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Will do!

Putting in a first citation now. I'll scour for another. BTW, seeing as how you're Scots, I'm proud to say I was a winner in Scotsman.com's Haggis Hunt 2005! Won a Haggis mousepad and hat, which I uswe proudly! -- Tenebrae 16:59, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pop goes the...

Hiya. Just wanted to note, since your broght up weasel words & phrases, that I'm going to return the phrase "not an original graphic novel" in the crit section since OFN is the accepted nomenclature (noted in the article intro) and "republished as a graphic novel" is, well, kinda that weasel thing. I'm sure you'll be as cool with this as I was with your request of me above. Thanks! -- Tenebrae 17:08, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Sure. Do we need to point out that it wasn't an OGN, though? The entry isn't about OGNs specifically...

[edit] Userboxes

Hi, I see you're trying out userboxes on your page. Good for you! I think the one that you're using though is used more often on articles, than on userpages. Here's what I think you were shooting for:

{{user NPOV}}

I think you'd also probably enjoy adding this one to your page:

{{user Scotland}}

Feel free to give them a try, by adding them to your page and then using the Show preview button. If you like them, you can save the page.  :) Elonka 19:18, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

To be honest, it was just a slightly lame attempt to be funny... I probably should change it before an admin comes in and edits my userpage to remove bias. Patabongo 19:31, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes, and it's also an odd thing for a new user to do. The "humor" implies more experience with the Wikipedia styles and social conventions than a new user would typically have. Have you had other accounts? Elonka 03:43, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Nah, I'm just a bit geeky and pick things up fairly fast. Patabongo 13:07, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
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