User talk:Pasd

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Again, welcome! -- ALargeElk | Talk 15:52, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Billboard Changes

Thanks for the billboard changes, they were really great! I have been monitoring changes throughout the day and was surprised to see some actual rewrites that made things easier to read, and honed down the history to find out it was you :) Kudos! --02:39, Jun 25, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Timber framing or half-timbered

Hi Pasd, I think it is a matter of whether you use the traditional but now rapidly becoming obsolete terminology of "half-timbered", as opposed to the established "timber-framing", meaning any load-bearing frame, no matter whether it has waddle-and-daub infill panels, or whether it is wholly clad in wood. It is the load-bearing aspect which should define it.

I know, we don't cite other encyclopaedias or dictionaries in the actual articles, but in queries such as this I feel I ought to quote the 'Oxford Dictionary Of Architecture' which says of half-timbering: "Obsolete term for timber-framed building..." As a second instance, however, it does call half-timbering "a building with the lower storey of stone or brick and the upper storeys, or part of them, such as gables, timber-framed, and visible as such." As a third instance it gives "a building constructed of brick, block, etc. with timber applied to it in parts suggesting timber-framing, but in fact false."

I don't think we are really talking about nos 2/3, especially the third example is that often applied to 'Tudorbethan' type Revival housing where a kind of false half-timbering is attached to the outside of a brick or other solid-material structure. The third-edition 'Penguin Dictionary of Architecture' which goes back to 1984, too, says that Timber-framing, '... is called colloquially half-timbering...', but that is under the main article 'Timber-framing'. These examples are only by way of trying to illustrate in short citeable instances how modern architects refer to the 'half-timbering'/timber-framing' concept. I have also placed this reply on your user talk page. Dieter Simon 00:47, 4 November 2005 (UTC)